Using Enhanced Receiver Determination with a Synchronous Service Interface

Hi Experts,
I want to use ERD on a Synchronous Interface. Is that possible? Perhaps it has no sense, because in an ERD you can choice multiple receivers and that its against the synchronous philosophy: what if you declare 2 or more receivers, from wich one has the right response to be taken?
In technical terms I build the operation mapping as it is written both in the blog (/people/venkataramanan.parameswaran/blog/2006/03/17/illustration-of-enhanced-receiver-determination--sp16) and the SAP HELP.
But in my OM I have as source service interface one Abstract Synchronous and in the target I have one Abstract Asynchronous wich is not possible. So I tried many tricks like creating my own synchronous ReceiverDetermination Service Interface in my SWC, but it is not detected. Other trick will be modifying the standart SI, but it will affect the next guy trying to use ERD with an Asynchronous interface
The point its that it is a little funny that the receiver determination allows using ERD with a synchronous SI wich makes me think that it will be possible...
Is it possible to use ERD with a Synchronous Interface?
Regards
Gonzalo

i have seen Enhanced RD with lookups that work. Have to say it was not a RFC lookup used but rather a DB look in one of the implementations i had worked with. But still I really dont think a RFC lookup should be an issue.
Troubleshoot the lookup mapping to be working other than in the enhanced RD (i.e independently) .
if you head no where, i suggest opening a OSS note.

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We can have just a send step and for that send step we can configure a condition based receiver Determination right?
yeah correct
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I am building an interface with Enhanced Receiver Determination. Scenario would be that the Receiver Systems would be stored in a Z table in SAP ECC, and in PI Receiver Determination I am doing an RFC look up to find the systems, and using those.
I built the mapping for Receiver Determination, and it tested fine in ESR. But while Creating the Receiver Determination in Integration Directory, After I specify the Receiver mapping name, and put the RFC channel name for the RFC parameter, it doesnt allow me to save the Receiver Agreement with a run time error message
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i have seen Enhanced RD with lookups that work. Have to say it was not a RFC lookup used but rather a DB look in one of the implementations i had worked with. But still I really dont think a RFC lookup should be an issue.
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Enhanced Receiver Determination synchronous

Hi all,
I am running into a bit of a problem when using enhanced receiver determination on a SOAP - XI - RFC scenario on a NW2004 SP17 XI system.
According to the help.sap.com (http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/43/a5f2066340332de10000000a11466f/content.htm) I have to make an interface mapping to the "ReceiverDetermination" async abstract interface.
Here is my problem: "ReceiverDetermination" is asynchronous and my source (SOAP) interface is synchronous, but it seems impossible to define a interface mapping between a synchronous and asynchronous interface.
Do any of you have any ideas and/or suggestions to solve my current predicament?
Steven

Hi,
After some experimentation I found a solution.
It involves building a sync/sync bridge in an Integration Process and using a Receiver Determination step in that Integration Process.
The Integration Process forces you to store the request/response messages in an abstract ASYNC interface. When the Receiver Determination step calls the Receiver Determination Object in the directory, it uses the abstract async interface of the request message, instead of normal sync interface.
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Intermittent JDBC error in Enhanced Receiver Determination

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I have an interface that use Enhanced Receiver Determination in PI 7.1 EHP1.
The database is DB2 on i5/os 6.1
Sometimes message ends in error :Error when determining the receiver: Problem while determining receivers using interface mapping: Runtime exception occurred during application mapping com/sap/xi/tf/_HI01_to_ReceiverDetermination_;
But the same message with same values is successfull earlier.
This is not a design problem; the interface is working well 95% of the time.
I found some JDBC error in NWA java logs:
Error in sax handler parsing request: Error when executing statement for table/stored proc. 'table' (structure 'statement'): java.sql.SQLException: [SQL0104] Token "BUSINESS_SYSTEM" was not valid. Valid tokens: FOR SKIP WITH FETCH ORDER UNION EXCEPT OPTIMIZE.
Error when calling an adapter by using the communication channel CC_RECEIVER_JDBC_PIDB2 (Party: *, Service: INTEGRATION_SERVER_PX1, Object ID: cb7ea38fb2ac3a06b12d79f5ade2bcf7) XI AF API call failed. Module exception: (No information available). Cause Exception: 'Error processing request in sax parser: Error when executing statement for table/stored proc. 'table' (structure 'statement'): java.sql.SQLException: [SQL0104] Token "BUSINESS_SYSTEM" was not valid. Valid tokens: FOR SKIP WITH FETCH ORDER UNION EXCEPT OPTIMIZE.'.
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com.sap.aii.af.service.api.AFException: XI AF API call failed. Module exception: (No information available). Cause Exception: 'Error processing request in sax parser: Error when executing statement for table/stored proc. 'table' (structure 'statement'): java.sql.SQLException: [SQL0104] Token "BUSINESS_SYSTEM" was not valid. Valid tokens: FOR SKIP WITH FETCH ORDER UNION EXCEPT OPTIMIZE.'.
at com.sap.aii.af.service.api.AdapterAccess.sendMsg(AdapterAccess.java:214)
at com.sap.aii.af.service.api.AdapterAccess.execute(AdapterAccess.java:283)
at com.sap.aii.ibrun.server.lookup.AdapterProxyLocal.execute(AdapterProxyLocal.java:119)
at com.sap.aii.ibrun.server.lookup.SystemAccessorInternal.execute(SystemAccessorInternal.java:76)
at com.sap.aii.mapping.lookup.DataBaseAccessor.execute(DataBaseAccessor.java:74)
at com.sap.aii.mappingtool.flib7.SelectSingle.selectSingle(SelectSingle.java:54)
at sun.reflect.GeneratedMethodAccessor607.invoke(Unknown Source)
at sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.java:25)
at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:592)
Any idea? Can high volume cause the JDBC Receiver to fail?
Martin

hi,
you r trying to impliment Lookup for the file adapter which is not synch in nature and hance u r not getting the responce back.
please find the link which deals with how to impliment lookup for file adapter.
https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/scn/wiki?path=/display/xi/file%252blookup%252bin%252budf.
now once u get rhe runtime receiver u can perform enhanced receiver determination (write a simple UDF)
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Purpose of Enhanced Receiver Determination

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i go thrown the some sap help link .. But I did't understand.. so, can any of you plz explain the what is the purpose of the Enhanced Receiver determination..
for this.. in mapping side does we need to do any special things.. or for a normal scenario also.. can we use this..
I want to use this Enhanced Recever determination in my scenario.. for that what are the steps i need to follow..
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Hi !
Enhanced Receiver Determination:
You use an enhanced receiver determination to have a mapping program determine the receivers of the message dynamically at runtime. Instead of creating the receivers in the receiver determination manually, you assign a mapping to the receiver determination and this returns a list of receivers at runtime.
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/43/a5f2066340332de10000000a11466f/content.htm
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/42/ed364cf8593eebe10000000a1553f7/frameset.htm
/people/venkataramanan.parameswaran/blog/2006/03/17/illustration-of-enhanced-receiver-determination--sp16
also check this
Please Check
/people/jin.shin/blog/2006/02/07/multi-mapping-without-bpm--yes-it146s-possible
/people/venkataramanan.parameswaran/blog/2006/03/17/illustration-of-enhanced-receiver-determination--sp16
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw2004s/helpdata/en/43/a5f2066340332de10000000a11466f/frameset.htm
/people/shabarish.vijayakumar/blog/2006/06/07/customise-your-xpath-expressions-in-receiver-determination
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/42/ed364cf8593eebe10000000a1553f7/frameset.htm
/people/venkataramanan.parameswaran/blog/2006/03/17/illustration-of-enhanced-receiver-determination--sp16
Also check ....
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw2004s/helpdata/en/43/a5f2066340332de10000000a11466f/frameset.htm
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/42/ed364cf8593eebe10000000a1553f7/frameset.htm -
>Enhanced Interface determination.
/people/shabarish.vijayakumar/blog/2006/06/07/customise-your-xpath-expressions-in-receiver-determination --->Customised XPath
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Enhanced Receiver Determination
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/people/robin.schroeder/blog/2006/11/15/using-dynamic-receiver-determination-with-sync-interface
/people/venkataramanan.parameswaran/blog/2006/03/17/illustration-of-enhanced-receiver-determination--sp16
List of receivers can be dyamically determined and assigned at runtime using enhanced receiver determination .
have alook at thses URl's also
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/43/01322a7af25285e10000000a1553f7/frameset.htm
:Dynamic file and variable substitution
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You use an enhanced receiver determination to have a mapping program determine the receivers of the message dynamically at runtime. Instead of creating the receivers in the receiver determination manually, you assign a mapping to the receiver determination and this returns a list of receivers at runtime.
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/43/a5f2066340332de10000000a11466f/content.htm
Enhanced (Mapping-Based) Interface Determination
In an enhanced interface determination you do not enter the inbound interfaces manually, but instead first select a multi-mapping. You get the inbound interfaces from the target interfaces of the multi-mapping. The inbound interfaces are determined at runtime during the mapping step.
You typically use an enhanced interface determination if the source message has an element with occurrence 0 ... unbounded (for multiple items of a data record) and you want multiple messages (for the individual items) to be generated at runtime.
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/42/ed364cf8593eebe10000000a1553f7/frameset.htm
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I want to use enhanced receiver determination functionality in my scenario.
I couldn't see any message interface or data type under http://sap.com/xi/XI/System.
we are on Sp08 nw04s and SAP BASIS 7.0 software component in IR.
I don't want to hard code my business service name in mapping.How can I achieve this?
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Rekha Lather

Hi,
> couldn't see any message interface or data type under http://sap.com/xi/XI/System.
we are on Sp08 nw04s and SAP BASIS 7.0 software component in IR.
After upgradation to SP08 on NW04s , did you reimport the SAP BASIS Component into your IR? Ask your basis admin team to reimport the SAP basis Component into the IR.
>I don't want to hard code my business service name in mapping.How can I achieve this?
Similar discussion available in the comments section of this blog,
/people/venkataramanan.parameswaran/blog/2006/03/17/illustration-of-enhanced-receiver-determination--sp16
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Problem while determining receivers in enhanced receiver determination

i am doing scenario FILE-TO-FILE (with one sender and 2 receivers, dynamic receiver identification based on mapping)using enhanced receiver determination,
it is giving following error in MONI,
Problem while determining receivers using interface mapping
System expected the element 'Receivers'
pls. help me if anybody experienced this scenario,
i am doing this scenario based on the below blog.
/people/venkataramanan.parameswaran/blog/2006/03/17/illustration-of-enhanced-receiver-determination--sp16

Have u properly followed the weblog,
Integration Repository Step No 2 and Step No 5
2. In order to use the enhanced receiver determination, create a message mapping which has the target message as Receiver Determination in the SAP BASIS --> http://sap.com/xi/XI/System.
5. Create the Interface Mapping 
U must have checked that ur Xi is on SP 16 or above )
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Hi mates,
I need to implment enhanced receiver determination. I see from the documentation and blogs that I need to hard-code the receiver service i.e. specifying the value in message mapping.
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Isnt it hard-coding?
Is there any better way of doing this, apart from using the BPM.
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If you are using enhanced receiver determination, you are going to provide Receiver Details in the Integration Directory right ? If so, anyway while doing Transport from the Dev to QA, you are creating a Transport Target for the business systems.. So here in the configuration it will take care ...
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw2004s/helpdata/en/ef/a21e3e0987760be10000000a114084/content.htm
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Hi Ashwin,
Just check if the condtion is correct. Also, look for some typo error as the name is case sensitive.
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In the SXMSQUEUE transaction i've customized the filters necessary to assign an message interface type in low-priority queues. On the other hand, I use the object as Enhanced Receiver Determination, ie use an operation mapping to determine the receivers.
(A) In this way, determines the following types of queue:
Inbound Queue: XBQ9... <<< Low priority Queue
Outbound Queue: XBQO... <<< Standard Queue
(B) If instead of using the Enhanced Receiver Determination I use the standard Receiver Determination, determines the following types of queue:
Inbound Queue: XBQ9... <<< Low priority Queue
Outbound Queue: XBQZ... <<< Low priority Queue
I hope the results are in option B, but I'm forced to use Enhanced Receiver Determination (A).
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Jose.

Hi experts,
In the SXMSQUEUE transaction i've customized the filters necessary to assign an message interface type in low-priority queues. On the other hand, I use the object as Enhanced Receiver Determination, ie use an operation mapping to determine the receivers.
(A) In this way, determines the following types of queue:
Inbound Queue: XBQ9... <<< Low priority Queue
Outbound Queue: XBQO... <<< Standard Queue
(B) If instead of using the Enhanced Receiver Determination I use the standard Receiver Determination, determines the following types of queue:
Inbound Queue: XBQ9... <<< Low priority Queue
Outbound Queue: XBQZ... <<< Low priority Queue
I hope the results are in option B, but I'm forced to use Enhanced Receiver Determination (A).
Version PI: 7.1 SP 7
Any idea?
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Hi,
my synch scenario with standard Receiver determination is working fine.
the service interfaces i used are SI_OutSynch_EmpInfo_Request and SI_InbSynch_EmpInfo_Provide.
I am now trying to apply enhanced Receiver determination for the same synch scenario.
For this, in ID, in my Receiver Determination object i selected the radio button Extended, then it is asking for an operation mapping. infact it is asking for an OM with sender Interface=SI_OutSynch_EmpInfo_Request (from my swcv) and Receiver Interface = ReceiverDetermination (from SAP BASIS swcv)..
So I logged into ESR, and created an OM_test_EnhancedRD, with sourceInterface=SI_OutSynch_EmpInfo_Request (from my swcv) and TargetInterface = ReceiverDetermination (from SAP BASIS swcv)
But when i tried to activate the OM_test_EnhancedRD, it is not getting activated, and giving below error:
Interface modi are different. Source interface Operation SI_OutSynch_EmpInfo_Request | http://mycomp.com/myns is synchronous. Target interface Operation ReceiverDetermination | http://sap.com/xi/XI/System is asynchronous
So my queries are:
1. is for synch scenarios, if receiver information is part of the request payload, how can we apply the extended Receiver Determination, so that the Receiver is determined dynamically.
2. or is there any synch version of ReceiverDetermination (from SAP BASIS swcv) available.
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madhu.

in this case, does SAP provide synch version of ReceiverDetermination SI, so that we can use that in OM for enhanced Receiver Determination.
If you have a look at the blog-reference given by Ravi you will find a way on how to make the ReceiverDetermination Si synchronous or work with the same async SI.....for quick reference below is the way mentioned in the blog:
From the blog:
Option 1:
A quick and easy way to allow for synchronous enhanced receiver determination setup is to circumvent the check that prevents
a synchronous interface to be matched to an asynchronous interface in an interface mapping. This can be done simply by
manually entering the name and namespace of the ReceiverDetermination interface object (e.g. 'ReceiverDetermination'
and 'http://sap.com/xi/XI/System' respectively) for the target/receiver interface in the interface mapping, but leaving the value for
the Software Component Version empty.
Option 2:
Select Modify and then change the mode to synchronous. Since a synchronous interface requires an input message as well, you
can reuse the Receivers message type used in the output message - it doesn't really matter as long as some message type is
used.
Both of the above options are available under the Applying the Workarounds section of the blog
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Enhanced Receiver Determination for synchronous interface.

Hello!
Was anyone faced with the Enhanced Receiver Determination? When I try to create
the definition of the Interface Mapping, I get the error:
"Interface modi are different. Source interface Message Interface MI_My_sync_iface | urn:my is synchronous. Target interface Message Interface ReceiverDetermination | http://sap.com/xi/XI/System is asynchronous"
Thank you.

Hi ,
U can go through below limks :
Illustration of Enhanced Receiver Determination - SP16
SAP NetWeaver Process Integration: Enhanced Receiver Determination for Synchronous Scenarios
Enhanced Receiver Determination in SAP XI - Exchange Infrastructure - Wiki
https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/sdn/wiki?path=/display/xi/enhanced%2breceiver%2bdetermination%2bin%2bsap%2bxi
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Hi Friends,
I am doing the enhanced receiver determination scenario, But it is giving the
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- <SAP:Error xmlns:SAP="http://sap.com/xi/XI/Message/30" xmlns:SOAP="http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/soap/envelope/" SOAP:mustUnderstand="">
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<SAP:P2 />
<SAP:P3 />
<SAP:P4 />
<SAP:AdditionalText />
<SAP:ApplicationFaultMessage namespace="" />
<SAP:Stack>Error when determining the receiver: Problem while determining receivers using interface mapping: Fehler beim Parsen der Empfänger-Liste.Länge des XML-Dokuments 264 Problem while determining receivers using interface mapping: Fehler beim Parsen der Empfänger-Liste.Länge des XML-Dokuments 264 Fehler beim Parsen der Empfänger-Liste.Länge des XML-Dokuments 264 System expected the element 'Receivers'</SAP:Stack>
<SAP:Retry>M</SAP:Retry>
</SAP:Error>
this is error is coming in the SXMB_MONI
THE DATA type(Receivers) we create in basis component is comes automatically?
are we have to create?
in my scenario i creted manually,
is it compulsory to specify the properties for the party and agency?
is it compulsory to create 2 Receiver structures in msg structure?
if yes what r those, actually i used from sap.help.com,
Can any body should give me the solution for this, regarding mapping and configuration , if anybody experienced this scenario. Pls . give me the guidelines to do.

Hi,
the mapping creating the receiver list is not producing the required element "Receivers" from Namespace "'http://sap.com/xi/XI/System". Look to the operation mapping given in the enhance Receiver Determination (IB Directory) and detect the corresponding mapping program (ESR). Copy the source payload from MONI, test the mapping program and correct it.
Regards,
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