Using NTSC & PAL DVX100s Together

Hello Friends!
I'm in Italy working on a documentary. I have a DVX100 that I brought with me from the U.S. and is therefore NTSC. My newly hired Italian cinematographer has a DVX100 that is PAL. Would it be wise to shoot 24PA on both cameras to avoid the problem of mixing standards? Or have I failed to grasp what 24PA is and would be mixing standards anyway?
As a side note, I have already shot some B-roll on my DVX using standard 24P, but it will not be a significant portion of the final film. Does that change anything?
What would you experts ("elitists" they're calling you now?) recommend?
Thanks a lot!
Cameron

Not sure how the PAL DVX handles progressive modes.
You could ask that on the DVX user forum or perhaps one of our PAL DVX users on the forum will jump in here.
Still, while 24P or PA specifies how fields are written to the tape, it does not specify the size of the image. That's based on the video format. DV NTSC is 720x480 and DV PAL is 720x576.
Graeme Nattress makes a well regarded Standards converter. You should be able to contact him through his website (www.nattress.com). See what he thinks would set you up for the smoothest conversions.
Good luck
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