Using Primay cost element instead of secondary cost element for expenses tr

Hai SAP Guru
WE are developer company, so when a land is acquired we create the project under business development with nomenclature "BD/LG/01" with corporate profit centre linked to it (as we are not sure if the project takes of due to various issues.)
When the project commences we create another project structure with nomenclature "BE/LG/01u201D with new profit centre.
So when we transfer the cost lying in u201C BD u201D project to u201C BE u201C project by giving settlement profile, the cost get transferred using secondary cost element. when we see the statement through CJI3 report the cost would have get transferred but when we
see the report through Finance Profit Centre report the cost would have not transferred.
So in order to get the report in profit centre, can we use primary cost element instead of secondary cost element, if we use the primary cost element what the consequence and what care needs to be taken for settlement.
Thanks.

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Hi,
I have a doubt in CO-PA, regarding the flow of secondary cost element costs.
I want to report the costs flowing through the Secondary cost elements (activity costs) in Profitability Analysis.
Can someone advise me on process to do this.
Thanks in Advance,
Safi

Hi,
Please define a group for Secondary cost elements or identify the secondary cost elements and define an Assesment cycle using KUU5 in that go to Extras-Cycles-Create and define the cycle and attach segment in cycle with appropriate sender and receivers and then execute the cycle to see the values flown into COPA
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Creation of secondary cost element

Hai SAP Gurus
Could any one please let me now how to create secondary cost element in SPRO.
Thanks.

You can create secondary cost elements in KA06. There is no pre-requisite of creating GL accounts.
Cost elements describe the origin of costs. Cost elements are defined as either
primary and secondary. Primary cost elements arise through the consumption of
production factors that are sourced externally. Secondary cost elements arise
through the consumption of production factors that are provided internally.
The Chart of accounts contains all general ledger (GL) accounts belonging to
Financial Accounting.
Expenses and Revenue accounts in Financial Accounting correspond to
Primary Cost and Revenue Elements respectively.
Secondary Cost Elements are used exclusively in CO to identify internal cost
Flows such as assessments or settlements. They do not have corresponding
General ledger accounts in FI and are defined in CO only.
When you create a cost element, you must assign a cost element category. This
Assignment determines the transactions for which you can use the cost element.
You can create cost elements automatically by making default settings that are used
To specify the cost element, or cost element interval that you wish to create.
You can create cost elements manually in bulk with the help of LSMW or BDC.
Primary Cost Element Categories:
1 - Primary costs / cost-reducing revenues
3 - Accrual / deferral per surcharge
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11 - Revenus
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22 - External Settlement
Secondary Cost Element Categories:
21 - Internal Settlement
31 - Order / Project results analysis
41 - Overhead Rates
42 - Assessment
43 - Internal activity allocation
50 - Project related incoming orders: Sales
51 - Project related incoming orders: Others
52 - Project related incoming orders: Costs
61 - Earned Value
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Hi
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Some transaction data already exists for the secondary cost element. We tried to changed the settings in allocation cost settings to Allocation Type 4, Manual Entry, no allocation for a future date, but still the costs are flowing to the cost element. Pls suggest a way out.
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Hi All,
I am facing a problem in posting secondary costs from WBS to AUC.
In Project systems they are considering secondary costs from the activities in the network. i settled the cost from network to WBS. and when i tried to settle From wbs to AUC system is asking for settlement costelement for secondary cost. But the secondary cost should be settled to costcenter but not to AUC.
Please suggest how can we do the settlement from WBS to AUC. How to handle settlement of secondary costs in this scenario.
Any help will be greatly appriciated.
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Through MM, contract is created (ME31N) whereby the settlement G/L accounts are identified.
The contract then is released through MM with TCode ME21N which prompts Commitment Costs to be entered, after which the Service Entry Sheet SES through TCode ME81L which then automatically updates into the WBS.
Through WBS, CJ88 would be the TCode you would have to use for settlement.
Hope this helps.
Thanks.

Secondary cost element in KB11N

Hello.
I'm not allowed to use a secondary cost element in a reposting.
What do I have to modify?
Thank You

Hello,
You cannot use secondary cost element. You need to use primary only.
Please go through the following:
DISTRIBUTION =========== Distribution was created for transfer primary costs from a sender cost center to receiving controlling objects. During distribution, only cost centers or business process can be used as sender. A distribution receiver can be a cost center, WBS element, internal order, cost object, or a business process. You can restrict the number of receiver categories in customizing. Primary Postings (such as, energy costs) are collected on a cost center, and allocated at the end of the period by means of the user-defined key. You can only distribute primary costs. During this process, the original cost element remains the same. Line items are posted for the sender as well as for the receiver, enabling the allocation to be recorded exactly. You can reverse distributions as often as required. You use the Cycle-Segment method to define sender-receiver relationships. PERIODIC REPOSTING ================= Differences between periodic reposting and distribution are due to information content and performance. For periodic reposting, no separate credit record is written on the sender for the cost element in the summary report. Instead, the totals record for the cost element is reduced on the debit side, which means that the original debit amount can no longer be checked there (u201Cunclean creditu201D). However, during distribution, the system writes a totals record for the credit (u201Cclean creditu201D). The information on the receiver is the same for periodic reposting and distribution (u201Cclean debitu201D). Compared with periodic reposting, during distribution, the system also updates the partner in the totals record for the sender. This means that the partner can be displayed in the information system on the totals record level. As fewer totals records are written during periodic reposting, performance is better than during distribution. ASSESSMENT =========== Assessment was created to transfer primary and secondary costs from a sender cost center to receiving controlling objects. During assessment, cost center or business processes can be used as senders. The receivers for an assessment can be a cost center, WBS element, internal order, cost object, or a business process. You can restrict the number of receiver categories in customizing. Primary and secondary posting are allocated at the end of the period by the user-defined key. During assessment, the original cost elements are summarized into assessment cost elements (secondary cost element category = 42). As the system writes fewer total records, the assessment has a better performance than periodic reposting and distribution. The system does not display the original cost elements in the receivers. Therefore, assessment is useful if the cost drilldown for the receiver is not important. Similar to distribution, the partner is updated in the totals record during distribution You can reverse assessments as often as required. You use the Cycle-Segment method to define sender-receiver relationships. Regards, Ravi

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Hi Gurus,
Secondary cost element with category 21 is used for internat settlement from order to wbs or wbs to cost center. But can we see line item report on this cost element. Or we cannot see any line item report on this cost element. it is just used for internal settlement purpose.
Please clear this doubt. thank you

Hi Mohit,
I hope you can have line item report @ order and WBS element stright away...
for orders use: KOB1 transaction code for actual line items, where you have the facility of entering CE or CE group to find the vaues related to particular cost elements in the order. If you are flexible with CEs related to 21, give there otherwise create a CE group specific to 21 category and enter the group and find the results you want.
same way for WBS elements/projects: we have transaction code CJI3 for actual line items, here also we can enter CE or CE groups
Not only for actual line items, we have the option of viewing plan line items, budget line items, and commitment line items @ both order and WBS level with different transaction codes other than mentioned above, like KOB2, KOB3, CJI4, CJI2 etc
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Difference between type of Secondary Cost Element Category?

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I checked the system, and during the secondary cost element (CE) creation, I can select some of the CE category as follows:
21 Internal settlement
31 Order/project results analysis
41 Overheads
42 Assessment
43 Internal activity allocation
50 Project-related incoming orders: Sales
51 Project-related incoming orders: Other
52 Project-related incoming orders: Costs
61 Earned value
My question, what kind of report that I can read entries with these kind of CE?
Reason: I want to check what has been posted to these secondary CE.
Or
Could anyone explain the use of above-mentioned CE category in brief?
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Cost element that is used to allocate costs for internal activities.
Most often used categories are
21 Internal settlement
(When ever an order is settled e.g internal order settling to cost center through this type of cost elements)
31 Order/project results analysis
(WIP in production orders are calculated and posted using this category)
41 Overheads
(Used in costing sheet to do an overhead allocation)
42 Assessment
(whenever cost is allocated between cost centers through allocation method - Assessment)
43 Internal activity allocation
(found in production orders when a routing activity is confimed the charge goes to the production order through this cost element)

In controlling secondary cost element cost is considerble for financial rep

in controlling secondary cost element cost is it considerble for financial reporting requirment. In controlling for pm orders based on planning in kp26 they are booking man hours activity price. when at time of confirm of the order planning converted to actual.
Client is giving activity price based on primary cost, when we plan the activity price It will double booking what we incured in primary cost. let me clarify for financial report requirment can we consider secondary cost or not

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Secondory cost is a re allocation of Primary cost. It should not be considered if you are considering primary cost. Secondary cost is used for analysis and should not be confused with Primary cost
Ex. Cost gets collected to cost centers, The activity is a carrier which carries cost to Process/ production order. So that doent mean that the cost is gernerated twice once you book the financial and second when you acutally allocate the cost.
In controlling we allocate the cost in a more meaningful way to get the required analysis which will support the decision.
So both the cost should not be considered
This may be useful
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Report on Secondary cost elements

Hi all,
Can any one tell me how to see line item report on the secondary cost element that are used in asessment cyles and also how to display the documents that are generated for these secondary cost elements after running the asessment cycles.
Thanks

Hi MKR,
I am assuming that your assessment cycles are tied to cost center as senders, so even though you don't look by assessment cycle you could use transaction S_ALR_87013611. Set the selection criteria for the Controlling Area, month year/period combination and version you need, leave the cost center fields blank and enter as cost element the secondary cost element(s) of your cycles. After executed, double click on the total actual cost amount associated individually to each cost element and an additional screen would be displayed, from where you can select the option to display actual line items report. The list of line items is displayed. If you have the ALV functionality additional columns can be added in the display to segregate the information based, transaction type, origin, etc.
Hope it helps , if it does please award points.
Thanks,
GG

Instance where Secondary Cost Element Linked to GL also

Hello Gurus,
What are the instances where secondary cost element is a GL also.
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Rohit

Dear Rohit,
You will not find any instances were secondary cost element is linked to GL.
Secondary cost element can be use within co. Linking cost element to GL means integration between FI and CO.
That can be possible only for General Ledger (FI) and Primary cost element (CO)
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