Using quicksizer

Dear All,
I have a problem using SAP tool quicksizer for server sizing. We want to do server sizing for FI module to be implemented. I just want clarification that when we have number of documents that are being transferred from FI to CO-PA-FI, do we need to consider no of line items generated using T code KEU5 for Assessment and KE 28 for Top Down Allocation. Because in help it is being said that we should not consider them but I want clarification from a person who has done it practically.
Thanks

Hi Gautam,
Just start a Quicksizer and it will open a new window..there select the option
"for beginner" where you will get a detailed understanding of QuickSizer tool.
Basically it is helpful when you are going to do a userbased or throughput sizing.
Please have a look at the documentation on service.sap.com/quicksizing ->
Quick Sizer tool -> Using the Quick Sizer -> Beginners ->
The buttons inside the project are shelf explanatory.
Let me know if anything is not clear.
Thank you,
Tilak

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Dear Sunny,
> Dear Siva,
>
> Portal is made of an AS-JAVA + EP + EP Core
> ADS and SLD are only composed of an AS-JAVA.
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>
> Best regards
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In general :
1) The processing tier is expected to consume lots of memory so it is recommended to be put on it's own physical server.
Yes
2) Combining the processing server with Intelligence tier - Will this impact the performance of the normal activities like navigating and scheduling in case of processing server getting overloaded?
It might, depends on resources available to it.
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Recemended way is to have repository DB separare, iside your production Oracle DB's.
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co-hosting repo DB is bad idea, the rest migth work.
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7) The processing server - is it good to split them to two different physical server so that we can host different client related services on the different physical server?
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Stefan,
I guess both of us were writing at the same time and hence I missed your post edited part. Let me explain the user part. You can think about them in 3 different roles:
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Using quicksizer tool, the result is obtained in SAPS.
Couldyou please provide the formula or approximation of how to calculate the system resoources based on SAPS.
Thanks.

Hi Gautam,
Just start a Quicksizer and it will open a new window..there select the option
"for beginner" where you will get a detailed understanding of QuickSizer tool.
Basically it is helpful when you are going to do a userbased or throughput sizing.
Please have a look at the documentation on service.sap.com/quicksizing ->
Quick Sizer tool -> Using the Quick Sizer -> Beginners ->
The buttons inside the project are shelf explanatory.
Let me know if anything is not clear.
Thank you,
Tilak

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Iam sort of curious about BI PROJECT as I didnot work on BI yet.I just had training .thatsall.
Can anyone who are working on BI implementation/production environment please let me know
1.for how many users is your system built?
2.how many cubes,ODS,Multiproviders,Infosets are there in ur project?
3.how many process chains are built for your project?
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it is fully depends on your project.
The number of users are depends on the business of your client. The size of your BI team depends of the tasks which are coming in.
The cubes, and other objects which has to be created based on the records and the areas where the client is working on.
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I must build an interface between SAP R/3 4.7 and an external application
Daily a flat file must be generated contaning Material data in full exchange mode
(volume 100 000 materials, <10 fields => ~ File of 30Mo)
No complex mapping, only format mapping (Ex : Price quantity...)
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=>
viable solution ?
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Jean-Charles
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Jean-Charles
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Jean-Charles

Hi Jean-Charles,
>>>volume 100 000 materials, <10 fields => ~ File of 30Mo
You have a performance task...
>>>Is there problem of concurrent access to file in such a solution ?
No, the adapter framework has its own queueing, the message would be stored and executed later. If sequence is important, you can use EOIO as well.
>>>BPM Collecting and Bundling Messages - One Interface
BPM is not required in your case, you should avoid becoz of performance task. You can append at file adapter, no problem. Bundling and splitting is even possible at Integration Server without BPM.
>>>Each SAP message is a small message but the outbound XML will represent a 30 Mo flat file => Is it a problem ??
Avoid using BAD words
>>>Each SAP message is a small message but the outbound XML will represent a 30 Mo flat file => Is it a problem ??
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Does anybody know if and how much performance impact there is if we use SNC for communication between the SAP Server and SAPGUI?
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>
Peter Adams wrote:
> Ken,
>
> if you plan to use SAPcryptlib for SNC between SAP servers, then you should use a SAPcryptolib-compatible solution for the SNC communication between SAPGUI and SAP server, and there is only one vendor who can provide this. Let me know, if you need help finding it. My contact information is in my SDN business card.
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> As to the performance discussion: first of all, yes, there will be a small performance impact if SNC is used (no matter which type or implementation), but from our experience with many actual SNC implementations, I can state that this is practically not relevant. It is not noticeable by users. There were never any performance discussions with customers. See also SAP Note 1043694.
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> Just a first quick comment on certain statements above: Tim's arguments for proving his overall statement are not conclusive from my perspective. Nor do I think his overall statement itself is correct.
The facts I mentioned are well known facts, e.g. symmetric crypto is far better from performance point of view than asymmetric. I know the examples I have shown which I found when doing a quick google search were not conclusive, but they were shown as initial examples, not necessarily the best examples. This is why I specifically mentioned that if you search in google yourself you will see many more references where comparisons are done between Kerberos (e.g. symmatric) compared with PKI (e.g. asymmetric).
> First of all, he only selects one aspect of performance - CPU impact of encryption algorithms.
No, I didn't. Some of the examples I referred to also discuss other differences. I also mentioend other differences such as memory and what protection level is used when configuring SNC.
> But for a true comparison, you'd have to look at all relevant aspects (latency, network overhead, ...).
Yes, I agree. No doubts here.
>Network performance overhead is usuallly worse with Kerberos than with PKI.
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>Second, you need to look at the specific usage scenario. For example, the first report referenced by Tim is an analysis about different Token Profile mechanism for WS Security, for one specific implementation. This does not allow to draw any conclusion for the SNC use case in general, and for sure not for a specific implemenation. It does not take the overhead for the encryption of the message content into account. Third, Tim associates PKI exclusively with asymmetric encryption. Yes, it is well known that asymmetric algorithms are slower than symmetric ones, but it is also well known that the encryption of the message content (by far the majority of the data) happens with symmetric encryption algorithms in the PKI scenario. With PKI-based SNC, you can even select a symmetric algorithm and use a more performant one that the ones that Kerberos prescribes.
Kerberos works with many different symmetric algorithms as well, so mentioning that the alg is selectable is not relavent to any comparison.
> To summarize, I will try and collect facts that will support the opposite point of view. From our practical experience, the performance overhead is not relevant, and criteria like consistency with SAPcryptolib, strength of security, ease of administration, choice of authentication and encryption mechanism, etc. are much more important.
>
> Peter

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Hello everyone!
I'm trying to create a project in the Solution Manager using SOLAR_PROJECT_ADMIN transaction but we receive the timed out error message and the process is stopped.
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Ok
check this sizing guide
https://websmp202.sap-ag.de/~sapdownload/011000358700000255562007E/Sizing_Guide_SM_70_SP15.pdf
Also this standard tool by SAP
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Edited by: Prakhar Saxena on Apr 29, 2009 6:03 PM
Edited by: Prakhar Saxena on Apr 29, 2009 6:07 PM

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