Using SATA Boot Drive & Promise UATA Card

I recently decided to put an extra 2, 200 gb hard drives into my system using a PCI ATA Controller Card. The only problem I have doing this is that my SATA Boot drives won't boot. The system Bios keeps trying to boot from the PCI Hard drives. Is there anything I can do to fix this or am I pretty much SOL and should just buy a K8T800? Specs are listed below.
MSI K7N2D-ILSR
Athlon XP 2500
2x256 PC3200 CL 2.0
NVidia 5700 Ultra 128

your out of luck unless msi sort the bios out,which i dout will happen
its a shame as other older boards have multiple boot options,ie onboard raid or a card

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How to install Windows on a SATA boot drive

Here is how to install Windows XP on a SATA boot drive. This procedure was first developed by syar2003 and has been used by many iusers ncluding myself. Although it was originally developed for Neo2 mb's and Windows XP Pro, it has general applicability to systems as well.
1. Have only the SATA drive you want to be the boot drive active in your system. Disconnect the power to all other HDD's if any.
2. Have only one optical drive active. Disconnect the power to the other opticals if any. (Best to have a burner optical as master on IDE1.)
3. Plug SATA drive into SATA 1 on the mb. (it may show us as an IDE drive somewhere down the list in BIOS. That's okl)
4. Enable appropriate SATA options in BIOS. Set boot order to floppy, cd, SATA drive. Set boot priority to SATA drive.
5. Partition and format the SATA HDD using the utilites CD that came with the SATA drive. (If you don't have an HDD utilities disk, download one from the website of your HDD manufacturer.)
6. Run Windows setup. No need to load drivers at the F6 promt unless you are planning to do a RAID configuration.
7. Windows XP should install without incident.
8. After you are up and running, plug the power back into your other HDD and optical drives if any.
If you have a board older than the K8 series, it may be necessary to load the SATA drivers at the F6 prompt. If the above procedure does not work, than try it again loading the SATA drivers.
If this procedure does not work for you, it is likely that your particular SATA HDD has some compatablity problem with Windows setup and/or your motherboard. The solution to this is to try another SATA drive. In general, most failures using this procedure have been traced to certain WD, Seagate and Hitachi SATA drivers of smaller capacities. Fewer problems seem to have occured with Maxtor HDD's.

Kaplan, from an earlier post of mine regarding sata2 hdds - I have them plugged into the sata1&2 ports, installed the nvidia raid first and then installed winxp (in both raid 0 and raid 1). My bios is 3.1 and its a known problem that bios 3.3 & 3.4 have nvidia raid problems but seems to be fixed in the beta bios 3.53:
I just purchased 2 hitachi deskstar sata2 80gb hdds ($60 each at zzf) and the interesting thing about them is that you have to "enable" sata2. I have been testing the performance of sata1, sata2, raid1 and raid0 and the results are below.
The drives themselves are factory default set at sata1. Since I purchased OEM, no software or instructions were included. I had to go to the hitachi website download section to download a dos based program (the features program) to enable sata2. After enabling the hdds to sata2, they were recognized in winxp in the nforce ADMA controller device driver and the screen reads with the primary channel as Serial ATA Generation 2 - 3G...and all 4 boxes below it are checked (the boxes enable bios select xfer mode, enable read caching, enable write caching and enable command queuing are checked). An interesting thing about the sata2 spec is that all sata2 hdds must come standard with NCQ...its not advertised on these 80 gb hdds on the hitachi website (unlike the larger hitachi sata2 hdds) but its a standard sata2 spec and these 80gb hitachi hdds are recoginized in winxp as sata2.
The other interesting feature about the hitachi sata2 hdds is setting them up to operate in an adjustable "performance" to "silence" mode. The hdds are default set at high perfromance but you can manually lower the performance to increase the silence of the hdds which is fully adjustable to your liking. I tested the highest silence/lowest performance setting and you cannot hear the hard drive at all.
Testing - I tested the 2 hitachi sata2 deskstars with the first result in sata1 mode, the second in sata2 mode, the third in raid1 mode and the fourth in raid0 mode.
First, a significant increase in raid0 over sata1, sata2 and raid1 with sequential reads and writes (PC Wizard).
Write: 28mb/s vs 29mb/s vs 27mb/s vs 53mb/s
Read: 45mb/s vs 46mb/s vs 43mb/s vs 83mb/s
Second, significant increase in sata 2, raid 1 & raid 0 over sata1 with buffered reads and writes (PC Wizard).
Write: 104mb/s vs 176mb/s vs 165mb/s vs 266mb/s
Read: 123mb/s vs 200mb/s vs 200mb/s vs 293mb/s
Third, significant increase in sata 2, raid 1 & raid 0 over sata1 with burst reads (HD Tach).
Burst Read: 133mb/s vs 225mb/s vs 219mb/s vs 334 mb/s
It is interesting to note that raid1 is better than sata1 but marginally slower in all tests over sata2. Raid0 is significantly faster on all tests.

Mobo is dead. Can I plug my SATA boot drive into a new mobo? *Update*

My computer has been randomly rebooting lately. Last night it shut off. When I turned the power on, all the case lights and keyboard lights started flashing but nothing happened.
I took everything apart but there were no apparent problems. I swapped in a new vid card, but the problem persists. I think that either my mobo is dead or my CPU (P4 2.4C Northwood) has died. Could this be another case of Sudden Northwood Death Syndrome (SNDS)?
Anyway, I'm going to get a new mobo and CPU and I was wondering if I can just plug my SATA Raptor boot drive into another mobo. Will that work?
What if I buy another identical MSI Neo-2 P 865PE mobo. Can I just swap out the mobo and just plug my boot drive into that?
Will putting a different CPU in the new mobo cause problems?
I don't want to reformat my drive. WHat are my options. Thanks!
-celacanth

Quote from: hybriduk on 14-October-05, 01:13:01
Yeah it will be fine plus prescott is better
Just remember not to overclock it as hard or the same will happen again
Plus buy me a 3GHz if you like lol
Good luck with your new motherboard and CPU
Yea the MSI 6278 865PE Neo-2 PFS is up to date for Prescott.
I didn't think that my overclock was that outrageous. Maybe I should also clock my vid card back a little.
I'm getting my BMW 540i back from the shop today...3 bent rims, new engine, transmission and exhaust mounts, idler pulley... It's going to be over $3,200. Another $300 to (maybe) get my computer fixed. I'm dying here.
Luckily the city will most likely reimburse me for the bent rims...they dug a trench in the road that I drove over.
You guys rule. Thanks for the help and once I get the new parts I'll let you know if everything works

Using External Boot Drive with New Intel Mac Mini

I have a 1st Gen MacMini and use an external 7200 RPM Lacie drive as the system boot drive along with all the applications.
If I were to purchase a new Intel Mac Mini, is it possible to use the current external drive as the system drive or is there some conversion steps that would be necessary ?
Thank you.

You can use the hardware, but will have to repartition and reinstall the OS from the disk shipped with the new Mac Mini.
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=303220
If you create a disk image of the Lacie on your Mini, you can later use setup assistant to restore users and applications from that image.

How to Setup RAID 0 on K9A2 Platinum using SATA 5&6 Promise Controller

Setup:
MSI K9A2 Platinum
2 x Sapphire 3870 HD in Crossfire Mode
2 x 500 GB WD Caviar Hard drives ( I want to put these in RAID 0)
Pioneer 115DBK DVD Burner
LITEON BD/DVD Player SATA
Phenom 9850
GSKILL 4 GB 1066
Antec P182 Case
Rosewill 850 W Power Supply
Windows Vista 64 bit
I am trying to set the RAID up on the PROMISE SATA ports 5&6. I have enabled the additional RAID controller in the BIOS and set the SATA controller to RAID. One drive shows up as JBOD and I can set the other to RAID 0 in the Fast Track utility. What do I need to do to change the JBOD to RAID? I'm sure its showing that I am a newbie at this and first RAID attempt. It's a new setup so I don't mind having to re-load VISTA.
Additionally - I cannot get the IDE DVD burner to work. If there is any obvious fix for this I'd appreciate input. The SATA BD Player works just fine.
Thanks for any advice!

Sorry, my explanation seems to be too short... some remarks:
- Yes, you need to go to the Promnise Setup prgram like you say;
- Yes, you have to delete the JBOD-array, but you also need to delete the RAID-0 array. Both drives become available now to setup RAID.
- Make a new striping (0) array and select both drives to use -> make array and reboot.
- go into bios and select the RAID-0 array as second boot device and your DVD/CD as first boot device (for now);
- reboot and boot off the Vista Setup CD/DVD.
- Wait until Vista asks to select the drive to install to. It will show you the RAID-array or it will show you nothing. If it shows you noting (and I bet it won't ), then choose to manually install a driver. Now, you can select the Promise driver to use. Vista will load it and recognize your RAID array. Select the array and tell Vista to install.
- Now start hoping that it will work out!
Good luck!!

Duplicate ical alarms using external boot drive

I have an external firewire drive that I boot Leopard from. I carry it between home and work. At both home and at work I have similar, but not identical Mac Pro (Intel) desktop machines that stay put. In either location I can just boot from my external firewire drive and have all my OS environment and files with me. I've been doing this for months.
Every since I've set it up, though, I have had a problem with iCal alarms. If an iCal alarm goes off, say, while I'm using my external HDD at home, and I dismiss it, it never shows up again at home, even if I reboot. But if I then take the HDD into the office and boot from the external HDD there, all the alarms that went off and were cleared at home, show up all at once when I boot up at work. It also happens in reverse -- alarms cleared at work show up the next time upon boot at home. Note that I'm running from the same boot disk in both cases. I don't sync multiple calendars with .Mac.
This is particularly annoying because I have some automator ical scripts that are triggered once/day and if they run at home late at night, I don't want them running again when I boot up the next morning at work.
Anyone know a fix/workaround for this. I searched the iCal prefs, iCal help, this discussion list, and did a google search to no avail.

You can use the hardware, but will have to repartition and reinstall the OS from the disk shipped with the new Mac Mini.
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=303220
If you create a disk image of the Lacie on your Mini, you can later use setup assistant to restore users and applications from that image.

Anyone use RAID as their boot drive ?

I just set up 2 x 500 Gb as a raid 0 via the disk utilites then install Snow Leopard. To my suprise, i hardly see/feel any speed improvement and actually opening and closing folders seem longer. Anyone notice this ???

All depends on the drive's performance, your needs and expectations I would guess.
I had never really found it essential but those working with heavy large CS4 files can. And to use RAID0 for scratch; for media.
Today, I think SSD is best bet or a pair 60GB, or WD 10K 600GB VelociRaptor, etc.
And keep everything that is not OS and apps related on another array or hard drive.
When I was using 15K boot drive, two just gave me larger volume was all, but having an array of two 10K drives for data/media along with 15K, yes.

System set-up with two drives (and one used as a boot drive)

Apologies if this has been asked before; I have searched a little for this info, but couldn't really find it.
I'm looking ahead to the glorious day when I eventually get my dream killer system, i.e. a Powermac (or whatever it's called when it goes Intel) with all the trimmings.
I like the idea of having something like a WD Raptor as a boot drive, with a large second drive mainly for storage plus the obligatory external FW drive for back-up.
I know from using Windows that a using a boot drive (or partition) with everything else on another volume is ok, but I had read/heard (perhaps incorrectly) that OS X likes/needs (particularly for iLife) to keep Apps in the Applications folder, music in the music folder etc.
So what would be the best way of achieving this type of set-up on the Mac?
Thanks in advance.

iTunes doesn't care where the music is stored. Just make sure it's NOT set to "Copy files to iTunes Music folder when adding to library" in the iTunes preferences (under the advanced tab.
iPhoto 5 and earlier is a bit more picky. iPhoto 6 has an option very similar to iTunes that allows you to store your music wherever you want, without it automatically copying to the iPhoto folder. If you get a new PowerMac, it will contain the latest version of iPhoto, so you don't have to worry about it.
I never use the other iLife apps, so I don't have an answer for those.

New boot drive and a clean install of Lion

I have a Mac Pro with multiple internal hard drives. My Lightroom catalogs are on one disk, my actual photos are on another, and my OS is on a 3rd. I recently decided to upgrade my 7200rpm SATA boot drive to SSD. In the process, I also did a clean install of Lion. None of my data was moved, as it was all on separate internal drives.
I have the new OS installed, and I reinstalled Lightroom 3. I should also mention that whenever I import files from CF cards (using a card reader), I import as DNG. I only shoot RAW.
When I launch Lightroom and look at my previous work, or the shoot that I was working on prior to the upgrade, I notice that (at least) the following is missing: flags, ratings, edits. I think I can live without the flags and ratings (though I would love to get them back), but I thought the whole idea of DNG was to store the sidecar "edits" file with the RAW file in one package. Shouldn't I be able to see my crops, treatments, localized brush edits, etc.?
What am I doing wrong and what can I do to remedy the situation?
Thanks very much in advance.

You need the original catalog file. You should have copied this over to your new instillation and then just opened it, rather than reimporting files.
If, as you seem to be saying, your catalog is not on the OS disk then all you need to do is open this after reinstalling LR, rather than creating a new catalog as you seem to have done. Just find the original catalog and open it from LR, or double click on it from Finder when LR is closed.
If you have not kept a copy of the catalog file, then you could use your most recent back up of the catalog, hopefully you made regular backups using LR's backup system and did this to a separate drive.
However if you have re imported the files then any edits that have been actually saved to the files will be read by LR. You do have to actually write the edits to the files, either by choosing to do this automatically in LR's preferences or by clicking on the update metadata in LR, otherwise these edits are not written to the files (or as xmp files when using propitiatory file types. If you didn't write the changes to file then LR has nothing to read.

Oracle VM server crashes with disk corruption using SATA 2

Created OEL 5 x86_64 on a HVM and occassionally the VM server crashes with the following messages on the console:
ata1.0.0 tag 0 cmd 0x25 Emask 0x4 stat 0x40 err 0x0 timeout (frozen)
failed to recover some devices retrying in 5 seconds
comreset failed to respond in 30 seconds
port is too slow to respond, delay is known to occur on vacant sata ports
BMDMA stat 0x24
hardreset failed retry in 5 secs
After this I've no other option but to perform a hard reboot of the system. Down the road I installed oracleasmlib-2.0.3-1.el5.x86_64 and the above problem was persistent when the oel5 virtual machine boots up. I just couldn't get the virtual machine to start. I tried many workarounds but didn't work. I finally disabled SATA2 in the bios and enabled SATA1 and the system has been stable for the past 2 days. Originally my bios was set to SATA1+2.
I guess there's a bug with OEL 5 kernel on VM's using SATA 2 driver.

If it was a hardware issue I'd imagine that this problem would have been occuring only on one machine. I had this problem on all my 3 machines where I had setup VM and OEL5. Prior to this, I had OEL 4u4 running on all these machines and everything worked fine.

BOOT DRIVE ADVICE for MAC PRO. How Big and Partition Size

So new new Mac Pro (Quad) arrives this week.
I'm doing a drive just for BOOT and another drive (or drives) for data.
The big question is, what size drive should I buy for just BOOT/OS/APPLICATIONS and how much of it should I partition. I want to install everything on the boot drive to be on the outside area of the disc and ignore the inside.... So, do I get a 300GB drive and partition 100GB to use as the boot partition and ignore the rest?
Any advise would be helpful!
Thanks!

If you have Final Cut, X-Plane and such, you'll find even 150GB to be small. You want to have plenty of free space for burning DVD-DL, temp space for programs and files, and so that free space never gets too highly fragmented.
A 200GB partition on a 640GB drive seems to be a good choice and it will still maintain 80MB/sec. Still use the rest as an alternate for your data (put it on a sparse disk image).
10K Raptor 300GB (Amazon, $229) is a nice, fast boot drive if you really need it, though most 640GB drives are more than adequate for most people.
If you plan to install Windows, I'd dedicate a drive just for that purpose and not use your boot drive. Not sure if "BOOT" meant just OS/Apps or more.

I replaced the battery on my RAID card, when I booted my mac pro up, I get the folder with the question mark. I used a boot USB drive to boot and when I looked in the RAID utility, my RAID 5 volumes were no longer showing, advise.

I replaced the battery on my RAID card, when I booted my mac pro up, I get the folder with the question mark. I used a boot USB drive to boot and when I looked in the RAID utility, my RAID 5 volumes were no longer showing, advise.
Ernest

Not sure if I'm following you. I have 4 hard drives installed on my Mac Pro. I had a RAID 5 configured and functional for about 5 months. My battery died on the RAID card. I replaced the battery, seated the RAID card back in the slot I removed it from. When I booted to the USB drive to look in the RAID utility, I could see the battery is charged but my volumes are not showing.
The drives don't show in disk Utility. I built the RAID with the RAID Utility and they did show there. I have a early 2008 Mac Pro, Mavricks OS running Mac Server

Using existing 1Tb Home Folder from new SSD boot drive

So, I am completely stuck.
My plan;
Mac Pro (2008) with RAID card. 4x750Gb drives as RAID5, Home Folder is resident there at 1.25Tb.
Purchased 160Gb SSD. Performed clean install of 10.6.7 on it connected by e-SATA.
Migrated Applications. Booted into SSD; Used Advanced Users from System Preferences to point at original Home Folder on RAID.
My result ;-)
50% success but many of the sub folders in ~Library are locked with permissions. Preferences, Mail etc.
Everything is 100% OK when I boot from the original Raid (which is great as a fallback)
My hope;
That there is some way that the original Home Folder would be 100% fine when referenced from the new SSD boot drive.
£1,000,000 to the first MacWiz to help me solve this... (joking about the £1,000,000 but I would be very, very grateful indeed)
Cheers

Hi all,
I just went through a similar issue and solved it with a little persistance.
Follow these steps:
1) All you need to do is cmd + i or "get info" on the folders you want access to
2) in the bottom right of the window that pops up click the small padlock symbol
3) enter your password (the login password for you mac) to "authenticate"
4) Click the arrow by "sharing and permissions" to open that drop down
5) click the + button in the bottom left corner
6) in the new window that pops up click administrator or your specific user (both work fine)
7) when it adds that user click the "privilege" and choose Read & Write
Hey presto, when you refresh the finder window the folder will be accessilble!!!
Yay

Z87-GD65 can't use 3TB disk drives on Intel SATA ports

I've been happily using my Z87-GD65 for several months now with a 256G SSD for Windows 8.1, and 4*2T spinning Seagate drives. I decided it was time to make 'em bigger. So I plugged in a 3TB Seagate ST3000DM001 on one of the Intel SATA ports. The motherboard doesn't recognize there's a drive there at all. If I go ahead and boot, it's very slow to come up and Windows does recognize the drive, but it's unusably slow and eventually just hangs.
Ok... Flash the BIOS on the disk. No better.
Flash the MB BIOS. No better.
Plug in a WD 3T Red drive. Same exact symptoms.
Try different Intel SATA ports. Same symptoms.
Both drives work fine on two other completely different systems (both old LGA1155 systems).
Plug the drive in to the ASM1061 ports on the Z87-GD65 and poof... works like a champ. 170MB/sec from the Seagate, 150MB/sec from the WD.
Well, that's something, but I had intended to replace the 4*2T drives with 4*3T drives. Using the ASM ports is not the answer.
I checked the hard disk drive test report and it claims the ST3000DM001 was tried and works. So I'm pretty stumped. Old MB BIOS didn't work, new MB BIOS doesn't work, old Seagate firmware doesn't work, new Seagate firmware doesn't work, WD doesn't work, multiple ports don't work.
Surely other people are using large drives on these MB's.
Hints?

It does help knowing other people are getting the same hardware to work. Gives me hope.
My first thought was "ain't no way it's the OS" since the MB isn't showing the drives on the display of SATA devices. But just to do a quick check I slipped in a Fedora drive and booted and wow... no problems at all with using the 3T drives. Motherboard still claims no knowledge of them, but Fedora uses 'em fine.
ok... Update the Intel chipset drivers and the IRST and reboot and... it's better. Still broken, but better. Takes about a minute to boot instead of the usual 12 seconds, but once it's up it's working ok best I can tell. So it's getting hung up on something during boot.
Fine... reset the CMOS, PITA though that is since I have to yank the SLI graphics card to get to it.
Put it back together, boot, and... Windows won't boot.
I'm about ready to throw a tantrum but get it together and just start trying things. Yank all the drives but the SSD. No. Boot from Fedora. No. Yank the second graphics card. YES! Put it back in again. YES! Guess I didn't get it seated right the first time, or something. Sure felt ok going in, but I won't argue with results.
Boot W8.1 and... bingo... up in 11 seconds with 3*3T drives in it. And the CMOS claims to see the drives now.
Stripe 'em in Windows software and CrystalMark says it can read 490MB/s and write 450MB/s.
That'll do. Thanks.

SATA Boot as Removable Drive ?

Recently a buddy installed a new ASUS board with SATA boot via onboard SATA. SATA drives showed up as removable. Didn't like that so we installed a SATA PCI card and they functioned normally.
Then we freshened up an MSI MS-6788 board using the onboard SATA to boot a SATA Raptor drive. Did the F6, install other drivers during XP Pro install.
These drives functioned normally.
Which was one reason I chose MSI for the new build I just finished yesterday. Using the MSI P6N I installed a Raptor as the boot drive, a second Raptor and a SATA CD/DVD player.
F6 during install was not necessary as it recognized the drive. It boots fine and all drives are recognized but again these are showing up as removable drives.
Doe anyone know the definitive answer to this or what I'm doing wrong.
MSI tech wrote me back a short note saying SATA showing up as removable is normal. I don't buy that. I have (and have seen) too many systems whereas SATA boot and internal devices "don't" show up as removable using both add-on cards and on board SATA.
As well the older MSI MS-6788 does not show the devices as removable.
Thanks...

I totally agree. But this is far from a server board. Let me ask... when was the last time you "hot swapped" a SATA drive?
Especially plugged into the onboard SATA.
I just don't follow the concept. For the sake of being hot swappable...
... you get a c:boot and d: internal drive that show they can be ejected (when in reality they can't because they are being used).
...and then you can eject your CD/DVD drive (which I can't see the reason to do).
... and then to top it off you plug in a USB stick and it's the 4th ejectable device.
Somewhere there should be the criteria to untick a box that says "this drive is not removable".

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