Using two Airport Extremes

My home network is like game of Jenga. It works for years if I don't touch it. If I make any change, it comes crashing down.
I bought a new Airport Extreme and am trying to use the old Airport Extreme to extend my wireless network. I can't get it to work.
I have set the secondary Extreme to bridge mode and plugged it into ethernet on the WAN jack. I set it to "extend a wireless network" and select the same network name. But as soon as it powers up, it crashes the network and no devices can communicate.
The configuration of the secondary Extreme shows "Connect Using: Wireless Network", but it's grayed out and I can't change it to Ethernet. I want to use ethernet.
If I change it to "Create a wireless network" and give the new network a different name, it works.

I'm still using Snow Leopard, Airport Utility 5.6.
Ah, that's unfortunate, since it is incredbly quick and easy to configure things with the newer 6.x utility.
First, I assume that you have already tested the Ethernet cable and connectons to make sure that they are working correctly.
Perform a Factory Default Reset on the Old AirPort Extreme as follows:
Power off the AirPort
Wait a minute
Hold in the reset button first.....and keep holding it in for an additional 9-10 seconds while you simultaneously plug the power cord back into the AirPort
Release the reset button after the 9-10 hold period
Allow a full minute for the Extreme to restart to a slow, blinking amber light
Connect the Ethernet cable to the WAN "O" port on the old Extreme
Open AirPort Utility, select the old Airport and click Manual Setup
Click the Base Station tab under the row of icons to assign a name to the device, a device password, and adjust Time Zone settings. Leave the other settings "as is"
Click the Wireless tab next to the Base Station tab and adjust as folllows:
Wireless Mode = Create a wireless network
Wireless Network Name = Exact same name as your "main" AirPort network
No check mark needed in the box next to Allow this network to be extended unless you plan to add yet another device that will pick up and extend the signal from the old Extreme wirelessly
Radio Mode = Automatic or same setting as the main AirPort Extreme
Radio Channel = Automatic
Wireless Security = Exact same setting as the main AirPort.....should be WPA2 Personal
Wireless Password = Exact same password as the main AirPort network
Verify Password
Click the Internet icon
Click the Internet Connection tab
Connect Using = Ethernet or it might read DHCP
Connection Sharing = Off (Bridge Mode)
Click Update at the lower right of the window and allow the old Extreme to restart
It would be a good idea to power off both Extremes at this point and wait a minute
Start the "main" Extreme first and wait for a green light
Start the "old" Extreme next and wait for a green light
You should be all set now. Please post on your results.

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5th generation AirPort Extreme Base Station - Main (Bought last week)
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DHCP Tab -> DHCP Beginning Address: 10.0.1.2, DHCP Ending Address: 10.0.1.200, DHCP Lease: 24 hrs
NAT Tab -> The box following 10.0.1. is left blank, Enable NAT Port Mapping Protocol box is CHECKED.
The remote AEBS is set to:
AirPort Section:
Base Station Tab -> Allow setup over WAN is CHECKED
Wireless Tab -> Wireless Mode: Creat a Wireless Network, Radio Mode: 802.11a/n - 802.11b/g, Radio Channel Selection: Automatic, Wireless Security: WPA2 Personal
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Thanks Tesserax,
Your answer has confirmed my suspicions.
Option 1 from your suggested solutions is not a goer because the modem and Airport Extreme are in different parts of the house making it impractical to run a cable between the two devices.
I did try option 2 and bought a Netgear range extender, which according to Netgear it would work with my D-Link modem - not.
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This is a problem with a lot of cheap end wifi hotspot like devices.. sometimes you can just swap the sim out to a real 3G wireless router.. that is a better approach IMHO than wireless repeater ever will be.
In the meantime..
Have a go with the suggestion.. place the express as wireless bridge. With a computer connected to the wifi from alcatel unit.. (I am amazed Alcatel still are in domestic market.. I thought they sold out). Set the express to join the wifi.. you do this in the airport utility.. old one is easy.. but in v6 you have to trust to luck so to speak and hope the auto setup works.. tell us if you have trouble.
With the Express bridging.. you can then plug it by ethernet into the TC.. which will be in router bridge..
ie
You can then run the connection from wireless or ethernet on the TC.. and it will relay back to the alcatel for internet.. all a bit dodgy but who knows.. it may give you what you need.
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I think that only the first Airport Extreme in my Office (Main Base) is emitting a wifi signal and the second Airport Extreme (remote) is only receiving the wifi signal not making a repetition of the wifi signal. (Sorry for my explanation, I am not technical on this.)
I thought that, in a WDS configuration, the remote Airport Extreme WAS suppose to also replicate the wifi signal in my living room.
I have also tried a WDS manual setup with the two airport with the same results.
Is there a solution for this?. Do I have to connect the two Airport Extreme with a wire ethernet in order to be able to have a wifi signal strong enough in my living room for my iPod Touch?.
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Thank you Bob for your time.
I understand from your words that with a DHCP reservation I can force de Airport Extreme Main Base to assign an specific IP to a particular client in the network. Is that correct?. If that is the case, I will reserve the 10.0.1.3 to the Twonky Media Server (I need this to be fixed to this IP) and I will change the configuration of the remote Airport Extreme to DHCP automatic.
I will give it a try in a few days. I have spent so many hours with this set up that I am a bit terrified to start again today, to tired from work.
Just one last question. Setting up the remote Airport was very difficult with the Airport Utility. I had to reset and start many times as I always got two errors in the set up:
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Greetings All,
I have fiber optic service and the modem that came from the ISP is wirelessly capable of old version of 802.11n and short range as well, it has four lan ports as well. So I bought two Airport Extreme (AE 802.11ac) and its working ok but I'm trying to understand the difference between the two scenarios in terms of efficiency and speed;
1. Fiber optic cable connected to modem. AE1 connected to modem Ethernet port 1
via physical Ethernet cable. AE2 connected to modem Ethernet port 2 via
powerline. DHCP disabled on AE 1 and AE2 and carried out by the modem. Wireless
on modem is of course disabled. SSID the same on both AE1and AE2 but 2.4 and 5
GHz channels are unique for each AE.
2. Fiber optic cable connected to modem. AE1 connected to modem Ethernet port 1 via
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Your questions are really about a matter of preference. Both 1) and 2) are correct implementations.
In 1) above, the "modem" (which is actually a modem/router) is providing the routing services for the network.
In 2), the "modem" is acting as just that, a simple modem with AE1 acting as a router and AE2 acting as a "bridge" to AE1.
If you asked the support folks for your modem/router which setup was best, they would say 1). However, if you asked the support folks at Apple which setup to use, they would say 2).
AE1 and AE2 are creating separate wireless networks, but if you use the same wireless network name, or SSID, and password for both networks, everything will act like one "big" network. Technically, this is called a "Roaming Network".

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if possible, it sounds like you need to configure a "roaming" network, not a WDS. Of course, I am assuming that all your base stations have access to your LAN via ethernet...
- Configure each base station with the same network name and authentication/password.
- Put each base station in bridge mode (unless you need 1 of them to distribute ip addresses).
- Each base station needs to be on a different channel - and make sure they spread apart, like 3 and 11, as opposed to 3 and 4.
Basically make sure they are configured exactly the same except for the wireless channel.
Roaming should improve.

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