Using Two Bootable Drives in a 2.0 Dual Core G5

Hi Gang
How's everyone?
I've already posted a question here in regard to swapping out system drives. Taking the system drive with OSX 10.4.11 Tiger from my single 1.8, and putting it in a Dual Core 2.0 G5, (which I just picked up and is working nicely). The answer was I suspected, 'yes it can be done'
Now I'd like to also put a 2nd system drive in the Dual Core 2.0 that has Leopard installed on it.
I believe this second SATA Drive with Leopard, should be put in the 2nd internal bay, since I'd like to keep TIGER as my main start up drive. I wanted to check on this aspect here on the forum.
Thank You
Mike

Hi Steve
Thanks so much for your fast reply
Steve, forgive me, actually I messed up my question a bit. What I meant to ask was; I'd like to put a SATA System Drive with Tiger 10.4.11, PLUS a Serial ATA Drive with Leopard (both) into my Single 1.8 Power Mac G5.
My 2.0 Dual Core G5 will have a SATA Drive with Tiger 10.4.11 and a Data Only 2nd Drive.
THANX
Mike

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