Using X11

I'm hoping this is the correct place to ask this question.
I use GIMP which requires X11 and recently it has stopped working. I rolled back to an older version of GIMP, installed the Xll upgrade on the Leopard DVD but all to no avail. Right now, GIMP crashes and X11 won't even start when I double click from the applications/utilities folder.
Thanks in advance for any help that any may provide.

I'm running X11 and the GIMP without problems. The X11 version is 2.1.4, created 9/23/07 and modified 4/10/08. I believe there were some initial problems with Leopard's X11 which were addressed by an update. Try downloading the 10.5.4 COMBO update from here:
http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/
Repair Permissions from Disk Utility, then restart from the install disk and repair your startup disk from the Disk Utility menu item. Restart and run the combo updater. Try X11 again and see if it now works.
I am using the GIMP version 2.4.3, last ran it yesterday.
Francine
Francine
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johan63 wrote:
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