V1u 30p in FCE HD?

I recently acquired a Sony V1u and have been shooting in 30p. I can edit my footage on a 1080i timeline just fine but the Quicktime Movie output is extremely judderly and WAY out of sync with voice. Never had this problem with the Canon HV30. Is this a compatibility issue with the V1u and 30p? Any way to fix. Thanks for any advice.

I'm editing on a Macbook Pro 2.2 w/4GRam OSX 10.5.4, importing directly to a Lacie 7200rpm drive, I used my HV30 deck to capture HD to FCE4. Video was shot on V1u at 30p. Easy set-up set to Apple Intermediate Codec 1080i. QTPro Ver. 7.5.
Everytime I try to drop the movie in the sequence, I get a pop-up telling me my sequence settings are wrong and I click on OK for matching sequence settings to capture. Not sure why this is as I only really have 1 HD choice and when I look at Seq. settings it still shows AIC1080i.
I just re-captured using the V1u as a deck re-edited and suddenly everything seems to work fine, output looks good, so it appears this has something to do with using the Canon HV30 as a deck???

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I've tried a few different import settings and they all seem to leave the video looking a bit 'jaggey.' I've tried import settings of both interlaced and progressive and none of them seem to be really sharp on import.
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I know this doesn't help much now, but given the output restrictions, your client should have shot at 30i, not 30p.

1080 30p displaying jagged

through log and transfer i brought in ProRes 1080 30p clips. put it on the timeline (all settings match) but when i go to watch the footage on my older Dell LCD monitors as well as my broadcast SD monitor and my HDTV (which is 720P)...I see a ton of jagged lines on any pan. i am curious if this is just a typical thing. shouldn't at least the viewer/canvas see it just fine without the jaggies? the other monitors are going through the Mx02 mini.

How was the original 30P recorded? On my Sony V1U, 30P is recorded as 60i with the frames temporaly identical. If I import it as 30P (ProRes, HDV 30p, etc), what I get is every other frame, and I lose 1/2 the resolution. Lots of jaggies. So I import as 60i and all is fine with the world. FCP, Quicktime, (when I downrez to SD for DVD),and Compressor etc. all do the right thing and make it progressive.
Note also that I don't use Compressor to go from 1080i60 (p30) to SD (ProRes 720x480 anamorphic); It seems to take FOREVER. I use Quicktime to do the conversion, and it works perfectly and much faster on my G5 Quad.
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Is this the correct workaround?
Also, anyone working with this camera (I shoot at 1080/30p) and FCE?
Would appreciate any comments on your particular workflow in FCE - from getting your footage off the camera, to what settings you use in FCE.
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Thanks for replying, but I don't think that this is the issue (the files play back fine on the camera - also I can manually move them from the camera storage into fce - it's the Log and Transfer function that won't recognize my camera).
As a side note, when I use the Log and Transfer function, I get an error message that reads: Warning - "Video" (+the folder on the camera that has my video files+) contains unsupported media or has an invalid directory structure. Please choose a folder whose directory structure matches supported media"
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I have FCE for my Mac. I'm working with a videographer who is shooting with a Sony PMW-EX1. He says he can deliver footage to me on DVDs as .MOV files that are 1920x1080 30p (for regular footage) and 1280x720 60p (for slow-mo). He says if I can't work with that, he can deliver the footage as 1440x1080i (and p).
From what I've read in other forums, it seems I could import the higher-res footage, but then I would have to render it in FCE which would convert it to 1440x1080i.
First, is my understand about my ability to import the high-res footage correct?
Second, assuming I can import it, given the fact that I'd have to convert the high-res footage, is it better to get the footage shot in 1440x1080i so nothing has to be "lost" in the conversion process? (Personally, I'd like to have the higher-res footage so that if I upgrade to FCP or another program down the road, I'll have the better footage).
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Your videographer is wrong. He should not be shooting two different formats for slomo. If he wants to use 60p for slomo he should shoot everything 1280x720. That's first, but doesn't really effect you.
All your assumptions are incorrect. The frame size in only one aspect of the issue. The format he delivers the material will most likely be in a codec that is not supported in FCE. XDCAM is not supported in FCE, nor is native HDV, nor ProRes, only the Apple Intermediate Codec.
60p for slomo in FCE does not work. It makes no difference to FCE.
You should mention what version of FCE you're using.

Using Canon HV30 in 30p mode - settings for FCE?

I'm a little confused about the best settings in FCE for capturing video shot in 30p mode on a Canon HV30. I know (from the manual) that the HV30 records the 30p video at 1080i specifications.
Should the Easy Setup be set for AIC 1080i60, or AIC 720p30 (I don't see an option for 1080p30)? I want my end result to be progressive, not interlaced. The movies will be burned on DVDs, for display on computers, regular TVs, and HD TVs.
Likewise, when I create a sequence, should I select AIC 1440x1080i60, or AIC 720p30?
FCE seems to gladly let me use any combination of these. If the answer is “it depends”, then what does it depend on?
Thanks.

coachwpb wrote:
I am just learning a lot of this stuff, but here's my 2 cents...
Yeah, I've been using FCE for a couple of months with my Elura 65 SD camcorder. I just got my HV30 last week, so I'm trying to wrap my brain around all the HD options.
I just bought the HV30 a few weeks ago. I set my Easy Setup to 1080i60 and it captures fine (remember, though, your capture screen will be different than regular DV capture. It will have no controls, just the screen and you press esc when you're done.)
I've noted that FCE often doesn't recognize ESC when I hit it. When that happens, I manually stop the camcorder, and the FCE thinks it's reached the end-of-tape, which has the same effect.
Once you import it, it will show as 1440x1080, even though you may have read stuff in the manual about 1920x1080. 1440 is what it captures at b/c that's how it is able to store it on miniDV tapes. This is a miniDV thing, not a FCE thing. (I spent a few days on that one!)
When working with it in FCE, you will see the sequence and captured video settings as 1440x1080 (I believe the sequence will be created from settings specified in the Easy Setup, so it'll be 1440x1080.) When you export it, however, you will see the info on the exported file as 1920x1080.
I do not think you are going to have a choice in shooting at 720p with the HV30, or at least I have personally not found a way to do that.
I was looking at the 720p option just because it was the only one that indicated Progressive.
I believe I've heard that one can use the 720p import option to reduce the capture file size, at the expense of some resolution (but it's still HD). Anyone have any comments on that?
In terms of all the destinations you're seeking for this video, saddle up, because you're in for quite a ride figuring out this HD stuff. It is not trivial. I am so frustrated at the moment with much of it that I'm likely to shoot in regular DV mode for a while until this stuff settles down into some easier (read: more commonly adopted) ways to work with HD video.
My final destination is a DVD via iDVD. It seems that just exporting as a QuickTime movie (not Using QuickTime Conversion...), selecting Audio and Video, and Include Chapter Markers (if I'm using them), produces a .mov file that drops right into iDVD. I also choose Make Movie Self-Contained, which results in large files, but I want to archive them and don't want them location-dependent.
My advise is to start playing around with it (using short clips!) and testing some stuff out, then posting specific questions to what you're trying to accomplish. These forums are amazing. And I just ordered Tom Wolsky's book on FCE 4 as he is a machine on these forums and I've read great things about the book.
That's what I've been doing.
And I'm also a Wolsky fanboy - I purchased his +Final Cut Express 4 Editing Workshop+ shortly after I started learning FCE, and that book has been very helpful. My main issue right now is coordinating the settings in my HV30 with the FCE settings.
Thanks for your comments and suggestions.
-Gordon

Got Tom Wolsky's FCE book and I have a question

Tom - Thanks for your really nice FCE 4 book!
I just got a Canon HF100, and I'm about to shoot a LOT of video (about 100 hours worth). I want to get the settings right before I record all that stuff.
With FCE 4.0.1, is there any problems or cons if I shoot my footage in 30F instead of 60i ?
I know that Canon's 30F is a simulated 30 progressive, and it actually records in 60i.
My intention in using the 30F, is that I'm filming martial arts moves, and I want to to grab progressive frames from the video and put those frames into documents / books to illustrate the moves on paper. I don't want the pictures to come out jagged interlaced looking when I'm moving in the picture. I hope I'm explaining myself well here.
I don't want shoot everything with Canon's 30F mode, and then run into issues / problems with FCE because Canon's weird simulated 30p mode somehow screws things up and I should have shot in 60i instead.
Also, I like vivid colors in my video. I think it looks like a better picture. Should I shoot my video using Canon's Vivid color filter mode? Maybe I should just shoot in normal color mode and add the vivid color effects in post with FCE?
Please help, I need some expert advice here.
p.s. I'm shooting everything in 1920x1080. That's one thing that's kinda out of date in Tom's book. He said FCE 4 doesn't really do 1920x1080. But now with 4.0.1, I think it truly does support full HD. It's probably because he wrote the book before that feature was added. Thank God it was added... what a relief.

Just a couple of points before Tom responds:-
1. Do a short test (possibly only taking minutes) using the different settings, 30PF and normal interlaced before you even dream of shooting anything serious. Burn the results to a DVD-RW (so you don't waste a load of DVDs on testing). This way you will see which method suits you best - things don't always turn out the way you might imagine.
2. You can get excellent quality from an interlaced HDV frame if you deinterlace it (if necessary) before printing. You don't need to shoot progressive.
Anyway, do some quick tests and find out which looks better.

Unable to print to video, out to Sony V1U

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Question 1: What am I doing wrong.
I tried to export a SD movie and it worked fine.
I tried to send it to IDVD from the QTmovie.fcp file on the desk top but it immediately shuts down IDVD. I tried to import into ImovieHD and it gave me a QT error. I thought maybe imovie had a time limit so I re-exported the movie in to sections as FCP and then dragged and dropped into imovie and it worked. The resolution is much worse in imovie as compared to the great video in FCEHD.
Question 2: Am I losing quality as I move from HDV to FCEHD ( I would assume so as it is going to Mpeg2), and even more when I go then from FCEHD to imovie.
Question 3: When I print to tape from fce back to my original hdv setting it should convert back to hdv correct?
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