Vector shape to smart object, is blurry when scaled

I've recently been upgraded to Photoshop CS5.5 and am having issues with smart objects.
Quite often I would:
make a shape layer, say a circle
apply a layer style, say a stroke and drop-shadow
Convert this to a smart-object
Resize this object to whatever I needed and it would scale perfectly, the layer styles and crisp edge would scale.
Now, when I use this same workflow, the whole object becomes blurry - like it's become one giant bitmap instead of retaining its original nature.
The blurred smart object loses it's vector nature and looks horrible, this is surely an error.

It depends on how you scale the smart object layer. If you just use Ctrl+T free transform Photoshop will matieilize the pixels for the layer then resize the materilazed pixel layer like normal raster layer not text not a shape layer. If on the otherhand you double click on the smart object icon in the layer in the layers palette Photoshop will open the smart object in photoshop. If it a RAW file it wil open in ACR. If is is a Photoshop Document like a PSD, Tif, Jpeg etc it will open in Photosgop. If it is some Photoshop object like a layer group a collection of layers an vector shape layer it will open in Phpotoshop. You can then scale the smart object with Photoshop tools like ACR or Image size set resample constrain scale layer style etc to scale the smart object when you use save the change Photoshop will update the smaer object layer in the document. You can do the save by clicking the Close icon and respond yes to save. Scaling the smart object layr this way will scale text and vectors the way you want them to be scaled.
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Hi,
Hope this finds you well.
I've create a PSD that is 120 x 100 px. It's got a gray background. There is a white image that I tried copying and pasting from Illustrator into it as a smart object. But when I do, it comes in very blurry.
Any suggestions?
I appreciate your time and look fwd to hearing back from you soon.
Thanks.

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Hi PS masters
I am finishing a poster, fully created in shapes in illustrator. Due to customers request I was forced to do some color corrections so I decided to use my PhotoShop CS6.
I imported vector files into my photoshop as smart objects, added some adjustments layer, few vector masks and I changed their layer style to get the finest result.
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... So I was trying to save this file as Adobe PDF but I found that whole graphic in exported .pdf was converted to raster, besides the border, cut marks and that one text layer.
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// I just thought if I can use InDesign for that. Will be included .pdf file as raster? or it will stay scaleable even with smart objects in it?

I am sorry but I don't have vector files right now (I'm on another PC), but I can show you "old" version of a poster, where you can see parts of their structure

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Yes sorry about that, I may have been a bit brief indeed:
I'm using Photoshop CS5, x64, latest patch (12.0.4). And ACR 6.4.1 to open a Raw file as a smart object in Photoshop.
Step 2: correct, I used Image->Mode->32bit
Step 3: I set the 32bit preview mode by clicking View->32-bit Preview Options->Highlight Compession
Setp 4: I'm mistaken here, I added a Levels layer, because Curves are indeed unavailable in 32 bit mode.
While I'm at it:
Step 5: Then, I would select these 2 layers in the layers pane and convert them to a smart object (right click in layers pane -> convert to smart object)
Step 6: Next step would be Image->Mode->16-bit. It would then ask to have the layers merged or not before changing bit depth. Only if you choose merge, the HDR toning dialog box would appear, from which you can select Exposure&Gamma, Highlight Compession, Local Adaptation and so on.
I don't want to merge, because it will destroy the smart object containing the Levels layer and the original raw file (in a smart object)
So I select "Don't merge". It doesn't show the HDR toning dialog, and goes straight in 16-bit mode. But what toning mode did it choose? By comparing the result you get when not merging, to the result when one does merge, it appears a default toning mode of Exposure&gamma is chosen. That's not what I want, because I would like to have Highlight Compression.
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http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3645/smartobject.mov

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ya, you have to open it up in ai like the above post said if you want to edit it. but also one of the advantages to smart objects is that when you resize it, the quality remains unchanged as long as it is equal to or smaller than the original size. for example, if you design a button in illustrator, then you put it on a web page in photoshop and scale it down and hit enter, you can always make it bigger (up to original size) without losing quality. if you did this with a regular raster image you cannot size it up without losing quality.
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