Very Disapointed in Black and White conversion in CS4

In CS3 it was great to have the hue/sat sliders right there and to be able to watch the image as I changed it.
The CS4 BW window is a MAJOR disappointment.
Now we have to click the color box and click again and again and keep clicking if we want to make minor changes.
No refinement here.
The way it was in CS3 you could slide left and right and watch the image change while you were sliding.
No need to add a hue and sat layer afterwards.
Can't believe they took this away.
HUGE disappointment in Adobe for having done this to us.

Geoff the kiwi wrote:
How does the OP's green/magenta colouring equate to your stated red/cyan?
Well, it looks cyan to me. Here it is with saturation boost - assuming the OP made the screenshot correctly, assigning the display profile:
In any case, the Photoshop bug is well known and well documented, showing up as cyan shadow banding in ProPhoto files, when GPU is set to "Normal" or "Advanced" mode.
I'm not saying the display profile isn't involved, it most certainly is. The whole issue is the conversion into the display profile. And it also shows to varying degree with different display profiles - sometimes just subtle cyan bands, easily missed until you look for it, other times more pronounced and with secondary red banding (like here).
It also happens with sRGB as display profile. So the bug is real, no question about that.
What's different here is that there's cyan also in the highlights. But that could be the screenshot - or it could be "just" a bad display profile. I'm not ruling that out, just pointing out that there is a more likely explanation in this case.

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scott has some good advice for you except for one statement he made which is misleading and has been circulating around the mac internet news forums misleading readers and I would like a chance to squelch it once and for all:
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Geoff the kiwi wrote:
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"It's the graphics card", "It's the hard drive", "It's the cable that connects the LCD screen", "It's the motherboard", It's the screen itself", "It's a corrupted bios" etc etc..
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Hi BDAqua,
I appreciate you taking the time to reply, and for the suggestions.
My spider sense was tingling, as were my eager fingers to login and read your reply, in fact I was almost salivating at the thought of crushing those Apple reps with a swift blow from one of my megalithic old 4gig internal drives, or better still, perhaps shooting my old DX266 sporting a massive 256k HD and 4mb of ram, fully loaded with Encarta and Windows 3.11 out of a cannon and straight into Steve Jobs bedroom window, with a note saying..."How'd ya like them apples..".
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