Video problem with MSI 880G-E45 board

Does anyone know if the onboard video is automatically disabled by installation of a PCI-e x16 video card on this motherboard?
I want to run two monitors and I cannot figure out how to keep the onboard vga active when I have a video card in the PCI-e x16 slot.
Thanks!

I can't believe a Moderator on a Manufacturer's Forum is handing out such INCORECT information!!!!
Quote from: flobelix on 16-August-12, 12:43:00
Unfortunately bottom line is you can't use your onboard vga for another display besides a vga card powering different monitors. Using a discrete vga you are limited to it's multi-display abilities. Onboard vga will not work when vga card used. For using three monitors you could get an Eyefinity supporting Radeon as suggested or a GeForce GTX6xx. If your card is limited to dual display and you don't want to get a new one you'll stick with two monitors.
I submit this link (tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-780g-chipset,1785-6.html) as proof that it is possible to use both the on-board video and an added video card both simultaneously or in crossfire mode on a single display.
To further illustrate this fact further, I submit this link (amd.com/it/products/technologies/ati-hybrid-graphics/Pages/ati-hybrid-graphics.aspx) to AMD.com stating the purpose for their "Hybrid Crossfire" technology, and although their page does not show specificly that the MSI 880G-E45 motherboard supports this, THIS page Does! (msi.com/product/mb/880G-E45.html#/?div=Basic) --Scroll to the bottom to see the line stating "Hybrid Crossfire Support - Y"
When speaking with MSI customer support about this technology, you are directed to this page (msi.com/file/test_report/TR1_2233.pdf) which shows a list of compatible video cards, ALL of which supported the Hybrid Crossfire when tested by MSI.
Add "http:\\www." to each of the links...
"flobelix", perhaps it would be better to simply say "I Don't Know" rather than providing MSI's customers with incorrect information and suggesting that they spend more money on something else.
BTW, I have personally tried 2 different video cards (MSI Radeon HD 6670 1Gb DDR5) and the (Sapphire Radeon HD 6450 1Gb DDR3) that are NOT on MSI's list, and they did NOT work with the Hybrid crossfire.
I hope we can limit further suggestions to facts instead of guesses.
Smokintbird

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for example, the Z77 does not maintain the memory for the fan cpu, while fan1 & fan2 are active, but not to the minimum value that I had memorized ..
the z68 instead only stores the value of the cpu fan
the H67 does not store anything ..
and also the other way!
indicted versions of MSI CC are those where the adjustment of the fans is not only numeric, but also with the graph ..
I seem to recall that older versions of CC II without the graphics did not have so many problems in the management of the fans (but I'm not sure about this)
I do not know if I'm wrong something in the settings of the BIOS, or the software itself!
and I wonder if the ControlCenter has a bug so big, that users do not make a mass protest to the manufacturer directly!
I hope you can help me positively.
I am very disappointed with this software MSI, I would be a little desire to leave my beloved brand ...
thanks
max
p.s. I can understand for the "old" h61/h61, but it is absurd that the Z77 motherboards & b75 does not have control of all the connectors on the PCB Tachometer & PWM ... not to mention the z68 should be the most valuable of all
(as opposed to other manufacturers that optimize much better implementation "fan control")

Quote from: Froggy Gremlin on 05-March-13, 12:39:59
You have been around here long enough to know this is a user to user community and can't do anything about BIOS or S/W problems.
With 16 MSI machines here in the hobby/test room, not one has CC or LU5 on them. For machines I want to control any fans on, I simply install an aftermarket fan controller to do the job. You might try the SpeedFan utility. That seems to be popular.
Talk of jumping brands falls on deaf ears here, and is your choice because of unhappiness with optional S/W.
yes, I have been long enough, but the forums are also used to find solutions ..
maybe some user could answer to me better than you, do not you think?
and this forum is not managed directly by MSI lately?
use a fan controller is not a solution to the problem!
you can not really think that just because you use the external controller.
if MSI creates software with the same problem on all chipsets,
then MSI should fix this software!
otherwise does not produce even, which is less disappointment around.
for my opinion then check the BIOS is much better than using anti-aesthetic Rheobus ..
optional S / W is part of the motherboard itself, while SpeedFan is a third-party utility ... the situation is the same..
I will open a ticket, but it is absurd that MSI does not realize that their own software has this great Bug ..
you say you can not be faulted, and instead I think yes.
especially if you love MSI.
I with 7 Mobo MSI + 6 VGA MSI I can say I devoted customer, and always recommendMSI products to all around..
all software MSI are good, afterburned, video genie, fast boot, and also the ControlCenter II for the management of the cpu and ram is good software!
my anger is that there is only this damn small bug in the software fan control, and I do not understand that the manufacturer and users (inside and outside the forum) do nothing to have a solution!
Quote from: Bernhard on 05-March-13, 14:59:12
Why this sudden realisation that you are missing something on all the MSI boards that you acquired over the years.
Did you ever inform MSI about this at the time that you purchased each and every board ?
the reason is my laziness to contact customer support (and laziness to write here) that I missed until now.
is because with P45 diamond7memory lover Customer Support could not solve the problem.
and because H67 & h61 htpc that are in use a short time
and because z68 erain bench test that used very little time (due to living with my girlfriend) and I have to resell soon.
but now that I have just arrived Z77 & B75 I want to solve this problem.
and if I decided now-finally-maybe I had more important things to do, but now I realized that it is not possible that all boards have bad dialogue with MSI ControlCenter!

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