Videoconference with pc-user

Hi everyone,
I wanted to start a videoconference in iChat with my AIM account. One of my friends is a pc-user and the video appearing next to his account indicated that he can't videoconference.
Does anyone know how that might come? He's using the AIM 7.0 for Windows!
Thanks!

Hi,
At the top of this Forum is a section on the Recent Users Tips for iChat
(Other forums list their most Recent tips)
The Second one in this forum is this http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1968438
I would start with that.
It is mostly written for AIM 6.5 and 6.8 with reference to AIM versions earlier than that.
Both of you should add the names in Table 1 (link Below) and see if you can Video to them.
http://www.ralphjohns.co.uk/ContactTesters.html
9:27 PM Saturday; November 21, 2009
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This tends to vary from person to person as to success.
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The AIM app also has to be allowed through the Windows Firewall as an Exception, preferably with UPnP enabled as well and UPnP enabled in their Router.
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Recently theri site offered 3 windows versions
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