Virsa compliance

Hello experts,
could you please suggest me iam in big trouble....
when we people are trying to install virsa we are getting error message like
OCS package SAPK-401COINVIRSANH does not match the
current software component vector.
actually we need RTA but not Actual Caliberator Sofrware.
please suggest me where can i check all the things which that required to install virsa. and what is the procedure to avoid that problem..
please help me iam in bigtrouble now
points would be rewardable for good suggestions.
sree

Hi Look on this,,,
Pre-Installation Checklist
&#56256;&#56510; Compliance Calibrator installation contains two parts:
1) Compliance Calibrator Java Front End Package;
2) Access Controls RTA (Real Time Agent).
&#56256;&#56510; It is imperative to make sure that all the pre-requisites mentioned in the section
2.2.1 are satisfied before beginning the installation process.
&#56256;&#56510; Download the Java front end package as well as the Real-Time Agents from
the SAP Service Marketplace for the appropriate SAP backend R/3 or mySAP
ERP systems. For further details, please refer to the Product Availability Matrix
(PAM) located on SAP Service Marketplace. Please note that the Access
Controls RTA needs to be only installed if it has not been already
installed with another Access Controls module (e.g. Compliance
Calibrator).
&#56256;&#56510; Install the non-HR RTA on the backend SAP R/3 or mySAP ERP systems.
&#56256;&#56510; Install the HR RTA if there is an HR component in the system (Check the
SPAM transaction in the ABAP stack for the HR component.) .The screenshot
below shows the imported VIRSA HR and VIRSA NHR RTA s via transaction
&#56256;&#56510; Please refer the installation guide and SAP Notes 723909, 70228, 179116,
458731, which are related to the installation of Compliance Calibrator
Post-Installation Checklist
&#56256;&#56510; Confirm the deployment of CC 5.2 files, which include the NetWeaver
database, J2EE Library and UME Actions and Permissions on SAP WAS 6.40
or above
&#56256;&#56510; Confirm the installation of CC 5.2 RTA on the target system. This includes the
installation of both HR and non-HR RTAs for the SAP-HR system and only the
non-HR RTA for SAP systems without the HR component.
&#56256;&#56510; Confirm the configuration of SLD and JCo destinations to connect to a
particular backend system and perform risk analysis for that system. Please
refer section 3.5 of this guide which discusses the procedure of configuring
SLD and JCo Destinations.
&#56256;&#56510; Confirm the configuration of the Internet Graphics Server (IGS). (Please refer to
the Installation guide for the configuration of IGS for UNIX and Windows
systems for both the Java stack and ABAP stack.)
&#56256;&#56510; Create a role in the UME for all CC actions (all actions of the pattern
com.virsa.cc.*).
&#56256;&#56510; Confirm the status of NetWeaver J2EE Server as Running from
http://<server_ip>:5<instance_number>00/index.html
&#56256;&#56510; Confirm the status of the Data Supplier Bridge as Running from
Thanks
Chitti

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Yes, try the correct URL for calling CC
http://hostname:50200/webdynpro/dispatcher/sap.com/grc~ccappcomp/ComplianceCalibrator
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