Visual Source Safe and RoboHelp for HTML

Do you ever successfully use Visual Source Safe for RoboHelp
for HTML? I got error when I checked out the file, looks like file
format in RoboHelp is not supported in Visual Source Safe. Can
somebody share the experience? Thanks a lot!

Hey, Cathy!
The RoboSource Control in X5 was "adequate" in its day. But
remember, that was nearly 4 years ago
The problem was that the "free" Access database was not
really robust enough and to really make use of it, you need to use
MS SQL Server, which is expensive.
That was then. This is now. The RoboSource Control 3 that
comes with RoboHelp 6 is WAY more better
This is because, it allows you to use a free version of MS
SQL Server Express for a much more robust database.
So my advice would be to upgrade to RoboHelp 6 for sure. It's
not just hype. If for some reason you can't upgrade, then you might
be able to get away with the Access Database given that there are
only two of you. Since you already have it, you could create a
little test bed project and try it out. (I have a suggestion for
how to do that in my article. See link below)
For the lowdown on RoboSource Control 3 see this Matthew
Ellison's fine article
Getting
started with RoboSource Control 3 in RoboHelp 6
If you're interested in the "old" RoboSource Control that
comes with X5, you can check out my article to get you started.
Sharing
One RoboHelp Project Among Multiple Authors
Thanx,
john

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Why does LabVIEW8 popup error message after i use Visual Source Safe as its sourc control?

i'm trying LabVIEW8.0 trial version now. and i set Visual Source Safe as its sourc control, just setting like following picture.
but since then, LabVIEW8 always popups error message dialogue even when it starts up.
it confuses me, for it runs well while i use LabVIEW6.1 before.
following is some message dailogue.
帖子被longzhi在04-03-2006 07:36 AM时编辑过了
Too much works make Longzhi a Tom.
Thanks god, the weekend is coming.
And my lovers are always here with me.
Anything better? ^_^
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hi, smercurio…
i've tried your way. but it doesn't work. :-(
but your idea helps me. i've tried some times and it's OK now. thank you. :-)
here are my steps. ( is it right? )
1. start LabVIEW.
2. Tools >> Options >> Source Control. select source control provider name as my microsoft VSS. no error message.
3. Then set my source control as None. a warning dialogue popup, "You have selected not to use any source control provider". Yes to continue.
4. exit LabVIEW
5. edit LabVIEW.INI. delete the part of source control. ( like the attached picture).
6. Start LabVIEW. and reset the source control as normal.
Bingo! it's OK. :-)
帖子被longzhi在04-03-2006 08:39 PM时编辑过了
Too much works make Longzhi a Tom.
Thanks god, the weekend is coming.
And my lovers are always here with me.
Anything better? ^_^
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