VLAN info across a Point-to-Point WAN circuit

What is the best way to temporarily pass VALN info across a Point-to-Point T1 WAN circuit. Here is a simple layout:
I have a 355012G at the Corporate Core with several VLANs for domain login, IP phones, file servers, printers, etc. I have a remote location that is currently getting the VLAN info across a wireless bridge (2 1300s and a 3500XL switch at the remote warehouse. The customer wants to connect the remote site with a Point-to-Point T1 and a new 35660 switch as follows:
MAIN-------------------------------------------REMOTE
355012G---e---3560R--------P-to-P------2610R--e--3560
What would be the best design / config scenario for passing the CORE VLAN info across the WAN P-to-P?
I was thinking bridging?
Any thoughts?

I have been thinking about this for a while and I can't find a way to do it. I know you can do embedded trunks but that is not what you are asking to do. The only alternative you have is to bridge the traffic.
Sorry can't be more helpful than that but since no one else has responded I figured I would giev my 2 cents for what it might be worth.
Chris

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