Voice Bundle Routers vs UC Bundle Routers

Hello all,
I am techinal engineer, but i need to make BoQ for 3945 CME-SRST for one of our client.
In Cisco Commerce Workspace i can see there are two types of 3945 routers are available for CME SRST
1- C3945-CME-SRST/K9 = 3945 Voice Bundle w/PVDM3-64,FL-CME-SRST-25,UC Lic,FL-CUBE25
2- C3945-CMESRSTK9-RF = 3945 UC Bun PVDM3-64, FL-CME-SRST-25, UC Lic PAK REFURBISHED
What is the difference between both, a part from this that option 2 is refurbished router, is there any other differ between both products ?
My client has 120 Users on site & i need to make BoQ that cover 120 users.
Also what is the difference between C3945 & C3945E product ?
Regards,

Basically these two bundles are same - UC/Voice bundles...exept that option one have free CUBE licenses which Cisco from near past included in voice bundles - because of obvious SIP popularity. So if I'm on your place - I would go with option 1.
3945 vs 3945E - maybe this will help:
https://supportforums.cisco.com/sites/default/files/legacy/0/5/3/78350-white_paper_c11_595485.pdf
Offcourse you can suspect which platform is more powerfull
HTH,
Dragan

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Hi without knowing your business goals, current network, etc here is some feedback.
Depending on your design, if the sites are connected via a reliable WAN you could run the branch site as SRST and not CME, this way you get a rich feature set of the centralised call manager and simplify licenses, etc.
Anyway, you need to size your CUCME (or SRST) correctly as each Cisco router hardware platform has a maximum supported handsets. If you have a SIP provider new purchased ISRs now come with 10 CUBE licenses other wise you will need something else such as a VIC for dial tone.
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Good day!
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voice register global mode cme source-address 192.168.2.254 port 5060 max-dn 10 max-pool 5 load 9971 sip9971.9-2-1 timezone 13 create profile sync 0069043299436028!voice register dn 1 number 104 name 9971 SIP Phone label 104 mwi!voice register pool 1 id mac 688D.ABA4.A88B type 9971 number 1 104 presence call-list dtmf-relay rtp-nte codec g711ulaw no vadvoice service voip sip
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Directory of system:cme/sipphone/ 747 -rw-         825 Jul 27 2011 16:10:04 +00:00 featurePolicyDefault.xml 744 -rw-           1 Jul 27 2011 15:59:49 +00:00 OS79XX.TXT 749 -rw-        3761 Jul 27 2011 16:10:04 +00:00 SEP688DABA4A88B.cnf.xml 742 -rw-        1948 Jul 27 2011 16:10:04 +00:00 SIPDefault.cnf 745 -rw-        4376 Jul 27 2011 16:10:04 +00:00 softkeyDefault.xml 746 -rw-        4342 Jul 27 2011 16:10:04 +00:00 softkeyDefault_kpml.xml 743 -rw-          69 Jul 27 2011 16:10:04 +00:00 syncinfo.xml
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thank you. i checked this out, but i think it doesnt matter whether tftp-path statement is set or not in this case.
Configuration files for 9971 are located in system:cme/sipphone directory by default.
While I have this statement in tftp-server configuration, it should get this file from the server.
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^
% Invalid input detected at '^' marker.
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Pasting portion of "show ver" as well.
Cisco CISCO2901/K9 (revision 1.0) with 479232K/45056K bytes of memory.
Processor board ID
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Snippet of "sh ver" with IOS version is below:
router#show ver
Cisco IOS Software, C2900 Software (C2900-UNIVERSALK9-M), Version 15.2(4)M5, RELEASE SOFTWARE (fc2)
Technical Support: http://www.cisco.com/techsupport
Copyright (c) 1986-2013 by Cisco Systems, Inc.
Compiled Fri 13-Sep-13 14:59 by prod_rel_team
ROM: System Bootstrap, Version 15.0(1r)M16, RELEASE SOFTWARE (fc1)
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System returned to ROM by reload at 16:48:03 UTC Mon Aug 18 2014
System restarted at 16:50:01 UTC Mon Aug 18 2014
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The output of trying to type dialer command is in the initial post, I'm also pasting all available commands under bri0/0/0.
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aaa Authentication, Authorization and Accounting.
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waas WAN Optimization
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From this doc;
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/sw/voicesw/ps556/products_administration_guide_chapter09186a0080633230.html#wp1049590
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Rob

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