Voice memos aren't seen by computer, can't sync

I am trying to sync voice memos from my iphone (ios8) to itunes (12.something) on my mac.
The voice memos are on the phone.
iTunes doesn't show them.
Thus, 2 questions about syncing - 1 (obviously) - how can I get itunes to recognize that they're there.
And 2 - how do I sync them MANUALLY? I see lots of suggestions to sync music clicking voice memos but I can't do that when I want to deal with my data manually. If I turn off manually then I get a scary message something like "we're going to completely empty out your phone, do you really want to do this?".
Unfortunately, I'm trying to keep things simple and under my control, which Apple no longer seems to allow with each upgrade....
Thanks!!

I have looked everywhere.  Everyone is having this problem.  And Apple has not taken the time to explain what is going on with Voice Memos, to help us.  I usually don't complain but I have been trying for weeks to figure out how to access my Voice Memos on my Mac, which has caused me to lose much valuable time, and I feel I am at least somewhat intelligent and can usually figure any problem out, with enough time and investigation.  Apple should help its users understand what to do with larger files, and WARN us not to record long, important files when they freeze up as they seem to often do.  Also to explain what is going on when the files WILL NOT sync to iTunes- or rather, can't be SEEN in iTunes, and if they don't want us to see them, or organize them, to explain WHY.  If Apple wants the Voice Memo app to ONLY be used for very short recordings that can be e-mailed or messaged out, they should make this clearer by setting a LIMIT on the actual recording time, having it stop automatically, etc.  And the Memos "seem" to be backed up on either iTunes or iCloud because I lost my iPhone, purchased a new one and all my former Voice Memos were synced back onto the new phone, but I still can't see them in iTunes.  I am so frustrated with Apple, and, not that it matters, but I have been a dedicated Apple user (including a member of Mobile Me AND .Mac), all the way back to OS 6 and I still have the "floppies" to prove it. 

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