VSS Full Backup VS VSS copy backup.

Hi
My question really is where can I find a clearer explanation regarding the difference between Full Backup and Copy Backup. Since I'm not that familiar with backup, the explanation that one retains the application log files and the other clears the application log files makes me to miss the whole meaning of this.
I understand Copy Backup is to be used if you have another backup product. Since it retains the log files, that means that the other backup utility basically doesn't even know another backup took place? or am I understanding this all wrong.
thank you.

Hello,
When you use some backup product to back up your data (for example, a folder), the archive attribute will be cleared (meaning that this file has been backed up). If you make some changes to the data after you back up this data, the archive attribute will be selected automatically to indicate that the data has been changed since the last save. So, next time the backup utility runs, it will check all the files' archive attributes to see which data has been changed since the last backup.
You can see this attribute by clicking "Advanced" button on the General tab of the folder' property. It is the "Folder is ready for archiving".
So, if you have more than one backup product to regularly backup your files and after the initial backup some files have been changed. These changed files' archive attribute will be selected. One backup utility runs and finds that the files have been changed, it will back up these files and then clears the archive attribute. After that, anther backup utility runs, however, it will find that the archive attribute is not selected, so it will see this file as unchanged since the last backup. Conclusively, after a long time, you will find the backup files are not the same within the different backup products.
The total difference between these two options is, copy backup copies all the files that you select, but does not mark each file as having been backed up (in other words, the archive attribute is not cleared).
So, as the prompt says, choose the VSS copy backup if you are using another backup product to back up applications that are on Volumes included in the current backup.
Best regards,
Chang Yin
Microsoft Online Community Support

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Triple-click anywhere in the line below to select it:
tmutil compare -E
Copy the selected text to the Clipboard (command-C).
Launch the Terminal application in any of the following ways:
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☞ In the Finder, select Go ▹ Utilities from the menu bar, or press the key combination shift-command-U. The application is in the folder that opens.
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Each line that begins with a minus sign (“-“) represents a file that has been removed from the source volume.
At the end of the output, you’ll get some lines like the following:
Added:
Removed:
Changed:
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Pondini wrote:
tofe1965 wrote:
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Is there maybe a ay to force TM to start a new full backup?
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Guess that's my only option then. I created a full bootable backup to en external USB disk using Carbon Copy Cloner. Erasing the internal disk and copying back using CCC will create a new UUID then I guess ...
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Please use the “Wbadmin get versions” command to check the backup versions on the server. If there is only latest shadow copy, you may not recover any of the historical backups prior to the full backup.
Backup Version and Space Management in Windows Server Backup
http://blogs.technet.com/b/filecab/archive/2009/06/22/backup-version-and-space-management-in-windows-server-backup.aspx
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As a new PC owner I wanted to find out what the best software for doing full backups to external hard disk, to to be used to restore the system if primary primary disk crashes. Im aware that Windows, Acronis and Paragon all have software that doing varying degress of back and resore functions.

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database is really using the full recovery model.
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I was having this same problem and appear to have found a solution. I wanted hourly recovery points for all my SQL databases. I was getting hourly for some but not for others. The others were only getting a recovery point for the Full Express
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mode SCDPM continued to treat it as simple.
I tested this by 1) verify my db is set to full recovery, 2) back it up and restore it with a new name, 3) allow SCDPM to automatically add it to protection over night, 4) verify the next day I am getting hourly recovery points on the copy of the db.
It worked. The original db was still only getting express full recovery points and the copy was getting hourly. I suppose that if I don't want to restore a production db with an alternate name I will have to remove the db from protection, verify
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This is the article I read:
Article I read

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Is there away to continue an interrupted full backup?
Ideas?

For your backup needs going forward, you might consider moving away from manual backup using the PSE backup command. Hard drives are pretty cheap these days -- you can get a 500 GB external drive from Amazon for $70. Hard drives are a lot faster, and you can set up a standard backup program to backup up everything on your computer, not just your photos, on a nightly automated schedule. The main problem with DVDs and PSE backup is that it is manual, and human nature being what it is, people don't do it often enough (or at all). Also, accumulating too many incremental backups without a full backup now and then increases the likelihood that a restore will fail partially or fully. And doing a full backup to 26 DVDs is just too painful for most people!
I use two external hard drives, one for the nightly backups, and one that I backup to once a quarter and keep in my car ("offsite").

Full Backup

Help me understand.
What is considered a Whole backup? Is a Whole backup the same as a full backup... the same as a cold backup? If I have different drives, should I backup everything on each drive or should I only backup certain files? If only certain files... which ones?
I understand that if I run in NoArchiveLog Mode, then I am only able to restore my database from a cold backup if there is a failure more or less.
So what files are important in a NoArchiveLog Mode Oracle 8.1.7 Database? I read the Backup and Recovery guide and I'm trying to figure out if I should copy the redo logs or not. The books says "Oracle recommends that you do not backup a current online log, because if you restore that backup, the backup will appear at the end of the redo thread."
I'm thinking that the statement in the book is for individuals running in archive mode.

Help me understand.
What is considered a Whole backup? Is a Whole backup
the same as a full backup... r.- Yes
the same as a coldr.- A cold backup is a backup taken with the database closed
backup? If I have different drives, should I backup
everything on each drive or should I only backup
certain files? If only certain files... which ones?
r.- If you are going to backup the database to get a cold backup you have to backup : the datafiles, the controlfiles and optionally the redo log files but that is not needed if you shut the database down in a clean way. Shutdown a database in a clean way is to close it some of these options ( NORMAL, IMMEDIATE, TRANSACTIONAL )
I understand that if I run in NoArchiveLog Mode, then
I am only able to restore my database from a cold
backup r.- yes
if there is a failure more or less.
So what files are important in a NoArchiveLog Mode
Oracle 8.1.7 Database? I read the Backup and Recovery
guide and I'm trying to figure out if I should copy
the redo logs or not. The books says "Oracle
recommends that you do not backup a current online
log, because if you restore that backup, the backup
will appear at the end of the redo thread."
r.- yes
I'm thinking that the statement in the book is for
individuals running in archive mode. r.- Answered Above
Joel PÃ©rez
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VSS Full Backup VS VSS copy backup.

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