Wake from sleep sound?

When you wake your late 08 MBP from sleep does the dvd drive make a weird noise like its loading a cd?
Just trying to figure out if its normal. It sounds like a sick cd drive with arthritis...

Have you inserted a DVD movie and chosen a region? My drive was doing a full insert/eject cycle on wake from sleep until I did that.

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    Long shot but...
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