Wallstreet Battery Dead or Not???

I had considered my Wallstreet battery as dead. It had no lights and I have a red x in OS 9 and a battery with an x in OS 10. Computer will not run on battery at all. However, since I have started using the Wallstreet again, The battery now shows two lights. Battery Reset says that the battery has been reset but the two lights stay on. I still have x's on the battery icons. Was I right in the first place, or do I have another problem?

hello,
having the same problems it is hard to understand since noone really can answer and everyone tells u to try another computer which it is nonsens unless u're tech and have severals around! but anyway if we had another powerbook it might have the same symptoms or worse!!!
I bought several batteries on ebay, got some desagrement and despointment but realised the PRAM battery was dead and this is causing trouble to the powerbook and the rechargeable battery. I bought a new one at www.welovemacs.com and changed it (if u have dates problems when leaving the computer unplugged for a while or in another occasion then this is it) but I guess u have to!
This is pretty tough to change but checking the instruction on www.ifixit.com and most downloading their PDF guide onto another computer so u can read through while dessassembling the powerbook u'll be fine but be very careful as this is not very easy and the case is fragile but with a pen and lots of patience it will do and u'll notice a difference in the powerbook (u have to leave the computer for a minimum 8 hours to allow the PRAM getting charged then use the comp again.
SO u're gonna tell me and the rechargeable battery well I haven't found one yet working but I received one this morning and check that again.
So I'll let u informed but not many people seems to care about that powerbook anymore and we all have the same trouble with the age of those batteries. But few things can be changed one after one for a nice cost at welovemacs and Ifixit which will lead us to get another working batteries!
good luck
PS: it seems the new batteries made these days are hard to work well and cost a fortune...

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Thanks for the forgiveness.
My friend whose three Wallstreets I maintain has two batteries that were original to the computers, bought in 1998, and they are still good for a couple of hours. Pretty amazing. System Profiler does not report on these old machines like it does with newer ones so all I have to go by is that they still run light-duty (web mail and surfing) tasks for a couple of hours. The new one from Global (the link I posted) reads around four hours.
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