Wanting to install Panther via iBook G4

Hi everyone. Thank you for taking the time to view my post.
I have an iMac G3 500mhz 320mb 20gb CD-ROM computer running OS X 10.1.5.
I also have an iBook G4 running 10.3.9 with system disks supporting 10.3.3.
I would like to install Panther onto my iMac, but it has no DVD drive. I have tried for hours trying to do a network install via my LAN, but it appears that 10.1.5 didn't include network startup as a feature. (i don't see it anyways)
I know this is possible by way of FireWire, but I don't have a FireWire cable and I don't know which one to get or where to get it. Apple stores are few and far between in the middle of America and I don't have any opportunities to visit one any time soon.
My big question is if it is possible by way of iPod?
I have a 4th gen 20gb iPod (monochromatic)
Is there a way I could use the iPod as a startup disk that would allow me to install Panther on the iMac?
Thank you for any help.

Check e Bay or a computer store supply if your in a hurry. The price on a 6 pin to 6 pin firewire cable has dropped big time in the last year or so. If you decide to purchase an external enclosure which has both USB and firewire outputs on it you would be supplied with a cable as well. It's not a bad idea to have an external case for easy backup at a cheap price and it would work with either your lap top or iMac and you could use it to transfer data or files from one computer to another.

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ian

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My husband has Panther installed on his, but he doesn't even have AppleWorks installed. He doesn't use iTunes or iPhoto. If you want to do anything besides internet surfing and e-mail, you may have problems.
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You haven't posted the size of your HD, and how much space is available?
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If you have added RAM, remove it if the original amount is at least 128 MB.
Try the install again. If the installation is successful, you can then try to re-add the extra RAM.
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