WAP4410N Bridge

I'm trying to set up a wireless bridge from our office to a plant about 100 yards away. Office AP is in AP mode. On the Plant WAP4410N, I tried setting it as a Wireless WDS Bridge and it did nothing. Even when I set the Office AP in the WDS Bridge also, it did nothing.
The only way I have gotten it to work is to set the office one in AP mode and the plant one in Wireless Client/Repeater. Is this correct?
Also, how do I add a directional antenna and make it properly work? Do I just detach any one of the three regulat antennas and attach my new one? How do I know it will send out of that new antenna ONLY?

Hi Pablo
Sorry, my bad.
experts-exchange is a paid serivce!
but here is the comment that wanted to show you.
My question:
I am seeing very slow file transfer rates when working across a wireless bridge setup.
My setup is as follows:
2 WAP4410N Cisco AP configured in wireless WDS bridge mode.
Fileserver <-> switch <-> AP AP <-> switch <-> windows 7 (wired)
There is connectivity and but the file transfer rates is around/below 1mb/sec. If I connect directly transfer rates are 20-40mb/sec.
Ping times are around 3-7ms but this drop to 500ms during file transfer.
Any ideas would be great. Thanks in advance.
best regards
Anker
craigbeck:
This is not an ideal setup for file-transfer. The WAP4410N radios are not enterprise-class devices so throughput won't be great to start with.
What you are doing is never ever going to get anywhere near the 20-40mb/sec you mentioned by connecting directly as the radio throughput is far less than that. Even though the radios are 54Mbps you will only ever get around 22Mbps actual throughput, then add environmental factors, interference, broadcast traffic, unauthorized association attempts and you could well be looking at 10-12Mbps which will translate to around 1Mbps data transfer - and that could be on a good day!
To ensure the link is as solid as it can be make sure there is nothing else on the same channel as your kit, use good directional antennas with low-loss cable (if cable is required), and keep the link as short as possible. Also you might want to consider configuring the link as a point-to-point layer3 link by putting a router at each end to ensure that broadcast traffic is not saturating the link.

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Guys/Gals.
I have just been escalated to Level 3 support about my bridging issues.
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Bridge / Repeater mode configuration separated by 150 feet. Worked perfect for over 3 months.
Upgraded firmware due to lockups starting to happen, now cant get the bridge / repeater to work longer than 15 min.
After MANY support calls, new devices sent (version 2's) still no luck.
Today:
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1-866-606-1866

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Hello bcmitsupport,
I am glad to hear you got it working. I did notice though that you said the WAP4410N was wired. If the repeater is working correctly you should not have to have it wired.
If you do have the option of using a wired connection then I would recommend the following-
AP mode is AP
Same SSID
Same Security
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This provides the strongest signal and speed between both wireless points.
If you are interested in trying the repeater mode still I recommend the following-
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After playing around with this, I think I have it working. At least in a lab environment because (see my other post) it looks like only WEP security works.
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WAP4410N WDS not bridging

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My laptop's Intel Ultimate-N 6300 AGN card reports its transmit power as ~10mw (normal for N connections).
The Linksys-Cisco WET610N wireless bridge status page on the15 computers reports both standard and wide channels in use and a connected bandwidth of 40Mbs.
Other info:
No combination of settings changes the above described operation. This includes setting the WAP to N-only operation, switching the WAP's bandwidth setting between auto and 40Mbs, no security or WPA2-Personal-AES, etc. You name the combination and I have tried it.
It seems weird that the units report 130Mbs when a wide channel is not in use. I wonder if the overall issue has something to with the code that is applicable to MIMO and antenna selection?
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Hi Alec,
Thanks for participating in the Small Business Support Community. I've posed your question to our engineers and the short answer is "no".
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I've tried making them work as stand alone AP's, Bridge<->Bridge, etc... all modes seem to lock up eventually needing a reboot to get any functionality back.
Ultimately, I need to make them work in AP<->Client-Repeater mode. I've not been successful in making them work in any mode for a prolonged period of time.
having just rfound this thread today, I have not tried hard coding the NIC's to 100/full, but will give it a try. If it works, great, but then that would defeat the purpose of buying an N radio AP. I would like the potential 300Mbps throughput.
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In my experience the WAP4410N worked perfectly for the purpose described in this thread, after following the directions given above. However, there is a little more information that will likely be helpful.
The short: Connect the first WAP to the network in AP mode (I will call this one the primary), the second in WDS Repeater mode, assign the second a unique SSID, list the MAC of each in the configuration of the other, should be all set. Each WAP will allow clients to connect, the remote WAP will provide full network connectivity, including passing through DHCP.
And I think this is a correct statement: client/repeater mode does not apply to the scenario presented in this thread. It seems as though the "client" would be the various workstations connection to the WAP. But in fact the "client" is the remote WAP, which is connecting to the primary WAP as a client, and then routing traffic through. My bet is this would apply to a use of a WAP4410N with another manufacture of AP.
But, I had the same problems as amvita - none of this worked when I first tried.
I think the reason is simple: I initially configured using the client/repeater mode. I started by setting up the remote WAP, assigned it a unique SSID, set up security, then configured for client/repeater. At the time that the WAP connects and authenticates to the primary AP, its unique SSID is REPLACED with the SSID of the primary. I guess this is clever - it would appear that there is a single SSID to connect, even though there are multiple WAPs forming the network. This configuration did not work, so I went back to the WDS Repeater mode. But now the SSIDs match between the primary and remote, and the pair does not work. So put back the unique SSID on the remote WAP, and everything should be good.

Wireless roaming problem (WAP4410n)

Hello, I have two WAP4410n and I want to use it in roaming mode. All two points configured to use same SSID, psk-key, but used different channels (5 and 9). The problem is that sometime second point is not accessible until I restart it. I connect to the wlan using first point than move to the room with second and there is no roamig. Is this a point problem or bad settings?

Hi llya, I assume you mean to say using as a repeater.
The AP has a couple known issues
CSCts76476—The access point may periodically experience loss of
connectivity when configured in bridge mode. Workaround: Unplug the
power adaptor or PoE cable, and then plug it back in.
• CSCtx62203—In certain environments and traffic model, the WAP4410N
may lockup after some undetermined time. Workaround: Reboot the
device.
-Tom
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