WAP4410N work in Client-Repeater mode?

I have purchased 4 of these devices about 2 months ago and have experienced all of the issues reported within this thread. The came with the 2.0.0.5 FW rev installed, so unless the 2.0.0.5 on the cisco DL site is different, nothing I can do with that.
I've tried making them work as stand alone AP's, Bridge<->Bridge, etc... all modes seem to lock up eventually needing a reboot to get any functionality back.
Ultimately, I need to make them work in AP<->Client-Repeater mode. I've not been successful in making them work in any mode for a prolonged period of time.
having just rfound this thread today, I have not tried hard coding the NIC's to 100/full, but will give it a try. If it works, great, but then that would defeat the purpose of buying an N radio AP. I would like the potential 300Mbps throughput.
Any update from Cisco on this? Help!!!

In my experience the WAP4410N worked perfectly for the purpose described in this thread, after following the directions given above. However, there is a little more information that will likely be helpful.
The short: Connect the first WAP to the network in AP mode (I will call this one the primary), the second in WDS Repeater mode, assign the second a unique SSID, list the MAC of each in the configuration of the other, should be all set. Each WAP will allow clients to connect, the remote WAP will provide full network connectivity, including passing through DHCP.
And I think this is a correct statement: client/repeater mode does not apply to the scenario presented in this thread. It seems as though the "client" would be the various workstations connection to the WAP. But in fact the "client" is the remote WAP, which is connecting to the primary WAP as a client, and then routing traffic through. My bet is this would apply to a use of a WAP4410N with another manufacture of AP.
But, I had the same problems as amvita - none of this worked when I first tried.
I think the reason is simple: I initially configured using the client/repeater mode. I started by setting up the remote WAP, assigned it a unique SSID, set up security, then configured for client/repeater. At the time that the WAP connects and authenticates to the primary AP, its unique SSID is REPLACED with the SSID of the primary. I guess this is clever - it would appear that there is a single SSID to connect, even though there are multiple WAPs forming the network. This configuration did not work, so I went back to the WDS Repeater mode. But now the SSIDs match between the primary and remote, and the pair does not work. So put back the unique SSID on the remote WAP, and everything should be good.

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WAP4410N AP not working as a repeater

Dear All
i'm having WAG320N Linksys by Cisco , connected & working properly
i need to connect 2 WAP4410 N to the router through wireless ( not wired )
i've did the same SSID
same security
same everything
tried all the possible settings
but it's not working as a repeater
i've read the blogs & found that some people talking about new beta firmware
i've tried to find it out to try but i didnt find it any where
So please can anyone help by sending the firmware or even from where i can contact the support team to get it
thanks in advance

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WAP4410N Bridge/Repeater mode

Guys/Gals.
I have just been escalated to Level 3 support about my bridging issues.
Just a quick recap:
Bridge / Repeater mode configuration separated by 150 feet. Worked perfect for over 3 months.
Upgraded firmware due to lockups starting to happen, now cant get the bridge / repeater to work longer than 15 min.
After MANY support calls, new devices sent (version 2's) still no luck.
Today:
Talked to Marcelo at1 866 606 1866 and he stated that the Bridge / Repeater mode will not be supported farther than 50 Feet.
(seems like a cop out to me) He didn't seem to have an answer as to why it worked for 3 Months other than interference
Of which I have ran spectrum analyzers and see no Interference. Hell even 10 feet away I cant get the units to work longer than 15 min.
So I definitely think the 50 foot thing is a BS answer.
Also they have told me that External Antennas are not supported with these devices.
Again even though People 500 feet away connect just perfect (without a bridge / repeater mode) with 50% coverage!
so here I am (spent 600 bucks) on bricks.. and nobody will support the device and I cant seem to get my money back.
I have 8 customers with these devices, I am not going to use Cisco any longer. However will continue to fight this,
as we all seem to have the same BS issues.
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Hi Kevin -- Have you attempted to return your devices to place of purchase or get RMA through the Small Business Support Center? Please provide an update on your issues.
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WAP4410N - Understanding roaming, WDS, repeater, bridge

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WAP: Cisco WAP4410N
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2) Wireless WDS Repeater
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Hello bcmitsupport,
I am glad to hear you got it working. I did notice though that you said the WAP4410N was wired. If the repeater is working correctly you should not have to have it wired.
If you do have the option of using a wired connection then I would recommend the following-
AP mode is AP
Same SSID
Same Security
Different wireless channel (1, 6, 11 are the non overlap channels)
This provides the strongest signal and speed between both wireless points.
If you are interested in trying the repeater mode still I recommend the following-
AP mode is WDS repeater
Same SSID
Same Security
Same wireless channel
On the router enable 'allow this signal to be repeated'
Make sure you are using both wireless MAC addresses for the wireless *NOTE: the MAC listed on the router is not always the wireless MAC. this can be found in the wireless section of both devices.
Here is the key part, if you are using both as a repeater and the AP is wired, you will know it is working when your network goes down. This is because the AP is repeating the signal back to the router over the wire and getting it repeated back out over the wireless until the network goes down.
To further answer your orginal question-
WDS mode provides a better connection as both devices are 'aware' of each other and is more of a switched connection. When using client/repeater, the AP is actually acting like a client to the orginal signal and simply relaying messages across as if it was from the AP.
WDS bridge is simply a way to configure a wireless bridge. A bridge is not designed for clients to connect wirelessly but to create a 'wireless cable' so you can connect your wired computer wirelessly.
Ultimately the best connection is a wired one as it does not diminish the signal. A repeater has half the range and half the speed as it has to repeat both in and out.

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is something like the universal repeater mode with the new Airport Express 802.11n (2nd) available.
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That points to s 'system-wide' issue.
Try resetting your SMC.
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Hi Winnie,
Thanks for your reply, and I'm sorry I've not responded earlier. While this problem is one that's annoying several of our clients, and while I have been doing further testing and investigation, it's had to take a back seat to other more pressing issues
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hi,
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Delhi.

Dear Yousof,
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I want to use WRT54G v7 as to who internet comes in and it works like that right now and it has passw admin changed and WPA2 personal set up
I have another router tenda w311r+ and there i have options in WDS- Lazy, Bridge and Repeater modes..
Lazy mode is without asking BSID but others ask so i asume Lazy repeats every routers around signals..
But what then is difference in Bridge and Repeater mode?
I wasnt able to set all up corectly..
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In tenda i have
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WARNING - Oracle intends to desupport Forms client server mode

When Forms 6i becomes desupported you will have to move to Forms 9i. Forms 9i runtime can only be run in web mode from a web browser. You will not be able to run client-server forms in native operating systems such as Windows or Unix. The forms will essentially run on the application server with Java applets to being sent to your web browser. Links to third party products will no longer work with host commands executing on your local machine. You will have to include Java code to make local commands work.
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Essentially, Oracle is trying to palm us off with running forms from web browsers whether we or our customers like it or not. Java seems to be creeping in. I suspect Developer will eventually turn into JDeveloper, as they will not want to support two products. Easy one line statements and built-ins will be replaced by hundreds of lines of Java nonsense. Developer will move from a 4GL RAD environment to a cumbersome bloated 3GL Java environment.
You can stop this happening if you want to keep you customers happy by:
1. Sending Oracle enhancement requests to allow Forms 9i to run in native client-server mode.
2. Complaining to your Oracle sales contact.
3. Asking difficult questions at Oracle user groups.

Duncan et al.,
I've been wondering why exactly a Forms9i app. needs to run in a web page? Why could the applet not be deployed in a more "standalone" fashion, i.e., an independent application window. This would at least offer the appearance of a native application, complete with the new Java look-and-feel.
If Oracle really wanted make their customers happy, they would then take the next step and come up with a way to embed OC4J into a client-side deployment executable, which would then effectively allow for a 2-tier client-server architecture.
It seems to me that 2-tier/3-tier each have their place in the world, depending on the situation. In the extreme "2-tier" example would be an application that is to be deployed on a single client workstation. It would be hard to argue that a separate application server ought to be used. On the other extreme, anybody who has tried to manage the deployment--and upgrade--of a large number of Forms clients is very attracted to the prospect of only having to maintain and upgrade a few application servers.
I agree with the direction of the product as far as replacing Toolkit2 and the native runtime with the JRE. The advantage of on-demand updating of application code is compelling. The capability of moving application logic to the middle tier is extremely useful. Platform independence is now done using the "universal" JRE instead of TK2.
If the product could maintain the client-side processing capability--without resorting to Javabeans--it would be just that much stronger. As an application architect, I want to be able to design the application to allocate the work where it makes the most sense, either on the client, the application server, or the database server.
How hard would it be to put this client-side processing capability back into the product?
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This if fricking crazy!
Not to mention the fact that the Apple site is useless - I had to search just to find out how to change my password because logging in and editing profile/preferences clearly isn't it (like the rest of the internet) not Apple goes and makes a whole site just for managing your apple login with no link to it from the main site.

I think you'll find that it's working correctly. Presumably, the programmers have decided that if you choose to manually add a song to the Up Next Playlist - then that's what you want to hear next, which is why the repeat feature is turned off. Likewise, manually adding songs to the Up Next will turn off the Shuffle feature, until the manually added songs have been played.
Peter Row wrote:
This is not very good; often I just throw together a few tracks that fit my mood at the time I'm playing them and have that batch playing on repeat. Yes I could save it as playlist but the simple fact of the matter is that is an extra step that I shouldn't have to do.
Perhaps you simply need to accept that that is how it works. Surely the extra step would be worth it to you, wouldn't it?
Of course, it's possible that you only realise that you want to hear that sequence again once it has played. In that case, there is one tip you could try. When you discover a sequence of songs that you want to hear again, look in the Songs view and list the songs by Last Played. Select the group of songs you want and then create a Playllst from that group. Note that the default view in Last Played is in reverse, as shown in this first shot:
To put it in forward order, simply click on the Last Played column header to reverse the list, as shown in this next shot. Scroll down to the bottom of the list to find the most recent songs:
Lastly, highlight the songs you want and either create a new Playlist from the selection or add them to an existing list:
Yes, I know that's several steps, and you don't think you should be required to take even one extra step. The choice is yours to make, thanks to the exhaustive possibilities of iTunes.

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