Wbs Vs Internal Order

Hi Gurus,
I'd like to kow which are the advantages of using WBS vs I.O for tracking the expenses related to dicounts in/off invoices.
Award points for any helpful suggestion
Regards
C*

hi Carmine-
Without knowing the business scenario you have in mind ....
From a financial perspective both WBS-elements and internal orders are just cost collectors (in SAP terms: cost object). When the collection is complete, costs are settled to one or more destinations, e.g. fixed asset, P&L account or another cost object.
WBS-elements are part of SAP's Project System module. Internal orders are part of the Controlling or CO module of SAP. When you work with WBS-elements, you have available all kinds of functionality that has to do with project management like structuring a project, planning, assigning project leads etc. With internal orders you don't have all these kind of things ... it is just collecting costs and in the end settle those costs. Pls have look at the info available in the SAP help documentation.
If your primary focus is on collecting (and reporting) on costs and you don't have to deal with the real project management stuff ... stay with internal orders.
When it is about real projects ... think about the PS module.
rgds
Ben

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Difference between WBS Element & Internal Order

Dear Sap Guru's
Can someone throw some light on the differences between WBS Element & Internal Order?
Regards,
Amit

Hi Amit,
To understand the difference between WBS Element & Internal Order, i shall take them one after the other.
To understand WBS elements, you need to understand the concept of Project.
Project Definition is the framework within which objects are grouped.
It provides the basis for the Work Breakdown Structure(WBS).
In principle Project Definition refers to a single Production Area or License Block
Objects could be sub-projects, phases of a project, distribution of activities, materials, services, general cost elements, etc.
Projects have a start and a finish date whether long term or short term.
WBS is the hierarchical model of the tasks to be performed in the project. It represents the sub-division of work into manageable components which can be budgeted, planned and controlled.
WBS is the operative basis for the further steps in project planning, e.g. cost planning, scheduling, capacity planning as well as project controlling.
WBS can be organized according to phases, according to functions/processes or according to objects (execution projects).
Networks and Activities
A network represents the process in a project or in a task in logical sequence, and is the basis for detail scheduling.
Networks are made up of two main components: Activities and Relationships.
Through the use of activities, a network represents the flow of a project. Activities are the starting point for planning, analysis and specification.
Networks are also used to generate requisitions of material and services.
On the other hand,
Internal Order
Is an instrument used to monitor costs and, in some instances, the revenues of an organization.
Internal orders can be used for the following purposes:
1. Monitoring the costs of short-term jobs
2. Monitoring the costs and revenues of a specific service
3. Ongoing cost control
Internal orders are divided into the following categories:
1. Overhead orders - For short-term monitoring of the indirect costs arising from jobs. They can also be used for continuous monitoring of subareas of indirect costs. Overhead orders can collect plan and actual costs independently of organizational cost center structures and business processes, enabling continous cost control in the enterprise.
2. Investment orders - Monitor investment costs that can be capitalized and settled to fixed assets.
3. Accrual orders - Monitor period-based accrual between expenses posted in Financial Accounting and accrual costs in Controlling.
4. Orders with revenues - Monitor the costs and revenues arising from activities for partners outside the organization, or from activities not belonging to the core business of the organization.
I hope the above helps.
Do not forget to award the points please.
Regards,
Jacob

Get hierarchy of internal order / WBS element

dear all ABAP guru,
i have a problem to view hierarchy of internal table or WBS element,
anyone know function module or table to view hierarchy of internal order / WBS
many thx,

You can also use BAPI_PROJECT_MAINTAIN for Project/WBS for internal order following function module can help BAPI_INTERNALORDER_GETDETAIL
BAPI_INTERNALORDER_GETLIST.
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CATS billing thru PS | internal Order, WBS, Activity Type

Hi,
I am a HCM consultant, therefore I have zero knowledge in PS/SD.
Currently I am working on a task, where I need to create the bill on the CATS data (Time Sheet Data: HCM). I want to know how the CATS data is transferred to WBS, and how the billing of the same is done in PS the WBS element and Activity Type. I ll be transfering the time data to Internal Order (I dont know how to assign these internal orders to WBS elements) and in Activity type I ll be storing the rates of the activities/tasks. Now on the basis of these Internal type, WBS and Activity type, How can I generate a bill in PS? (We are inactivate in SD module).
A more clear explanation would be better as said, am new to PS..
regards
Tahir

HI Tahir,
wbs and internal order is the object where we can book time via time sheet so clear here when you are booking time in CAT2 transaction then time sheet ask it's receiver object that would be either wbs nor I/O. once you have done this activity, then need to transfer it to object area like PS CS CO HR PayRoll
such transaction path is below in CATS
CAT2
Time Sheet: Maintain Times
CAT2_ISCR
CATS: Maintain Times (Init. Screen)
CAT3
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CAT3_ISCR
CATS: Display Times (Initial Screen)
CAT4
CATS: Approve Data
CAT5
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CAT6
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CAT7
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CAT8
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CAT9
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i m telling you in PS area next take help from SD guys
Regards,
Sanjeev

Internal Order vs Project System

Hello expert,
as you all know the function of WBS Element, Internal Order and Cost Center are similar.
My question is what kind of environment that made us decide to us WBS element rather than internal order or cost center?
Thanks

Cost Cennter is different concpet from WBS and IO eventhoug all are Co objects. Cost Center is one of the master data for CO while as WBS/ IO is purely transaction data.
WBS is having integration with most of logistic cycle and modules. In WBS hierarchy concpet for strucute as well as budget is the while as not in IO.
You decide wether to go for IO or WBS most of the case when you are going from IM. IO is more limited to Controlling and not to logistic trasaction . I think this is the main difference.
With Regards
Nitin P.

Internal orders to WBS Element

Hi,
I,m working in a Project System implementation project, where all other modules are already in use.As per the existing process, Internal orders are created for asset accounting.Those are of statistical. All the purchase orders & costs are booked referring to the internal orders, the same cost is directly settled to Asset Under Construction or Asset.As the internal orders are created as statistical, there is no seperate settlement process & all the costs are directly settled either in AUC or in Asset as & when they are incurred(posted).
Now as we are implementing Project Systems, Internal orders are going to be replaced by WBS Elements. Customer requirement is the same process of online settlement of costs to Assets from WBS Element & he doen't want to settle seperately.
Now the issue is, 1) how the process can be mapped in SAP?
I feel creating the WBS elements as statistical, the same process can be mapped. Is it possible/
2) As one project is already in progress & some postings have been taken place against internal orders, customer wants to see all those postings on new WBS element, now how to migrate the same to respective WBS element in the new system?
Thanks
Kishore

Hi Kishore Ji,
For your question, simple answer is, you want to continue all AUC under Project Systems. So far, you have considered statistical internal orders, anyway, which is not possible for you to settle directly. So, please take that amount generate uploading document by using same account and using WBS element as debit and internal order as credit and status you release for internal orders.
WBS elements you create as statistical without selecting account assignment category.
Your problem will be solved.
Assign points without fail.
ALL THE BEST.

Report Painter: P&L on Cost Center Group,BA(WBS/Internal Order) wise

Dear Experts, i require to create a report in report painter.
The requirement is to display P&L account on cost center group wise; if cost center is not mentioned and WBS/internal order is mentioned it should be shown under the respective Business Area and if non of the above is mentioned it should be shown in a separate column (General). The total of each GL should match the trial balance amount.
Please Guide Me.

Hi,
Its little bit complex to accommodate in report painter to in 1page.
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better you can develop with ABAP report.
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Khan.

TX CNS41 - settled cost from internal order to WBS element not displayed

Hi PS Expets,
I have a question regarding transaction CNS41 "Structure Overview" where cost settled from an internal order is not displayed in in the report for a selected project. This is in a ECC version 5.0
Settled costs from internal orders are posted with transaction type KOAO on WBS elements and when you check report RCNSTFCO you can see that the following transaction types are deselected when executing transaction CNS41:
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 or vorga = 'KOAL' "< insert
 or vorga = 'KOAP' "< insert
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This is implemented according to OSS note 51971 in order to eliminate internal business volume in the project structure when executing a PS hierarchy report.
But this also eliminate the display of the cost from the internal order.
Any ideas or a work around in order to display settled cost from an internal order on a WBS element in transaction CNS41
Kind regards,
Anne

Hello Tison.
I guess you have the Project created with a BAPI in your system in background. As far as I have seen I'd try the following in ABAP to create Partners in the Project Definition: BAPI_BUS2001_PARTNER_CREATE_M or the corresponding method ProjectDefinitionPI.PartnerCreateMultiple. This should happen in background when the Project is created also.
Best regards.
Jens Schmid

Wbs no and internal order no

How do i get the WBS no and INTERNAL ORDER NO
in the same report what is the link between these two tables

Hi,
Go to T.Code: FB00 and maintain G/L account items fast entry Layout SAP02 now you will get WBS
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Viswa

Prevent time entry in CAT2 when Internal Order or WBS is in TECO status

Hello Team,
We need to prevent time entry in CAT2 when an internal order is in TECO status. Looks like CAT2 is calling business transaction RFBU (FI: postings) which is allowed in TECO.
I'm wondering whether I can isolate CAT2, so that we can prevent just the time entry. Any suggestions, please.
Thanks!
VJ

Hi,
Try creating a user status which will prevent the posting when WBS Status is TECO.If not, use the many user exits available in CAT2 and put in a custom code check for the status.
Regards
Sreekanth

Material on WBS-Internal Orders and Profitability Analysis

Hi gurus,
anybody have some ppt on CO topics such as:
- Wbs
- Internal orders
-CO-PA
Also sap presentations would be great
Award points for nice ppt
Regards
C*
here below the email address
[email protected]
Edited by: carmine mancusi on Jan 10, 2008 11:35 AM

Hi Carmine
I have sent you some pdf files on COPA & internal order.Check ur mail.
Regards
Tushar
P.S. Reward points for useful answer.
Edited by: Tushar Vhora on Jan 11, 2008 12:52 PM
Edited by: Tushar Vhora on Jan 11, 2008 12:52 PM

Internal order creation for wbs element

hi
I want to settle internal order for wbs element ,but while creating internal order in KO01,required Order type type not appearing mean in my company wbs element required for order type PS01,Category -20(network),so for this 20 cat. where should i create internal order.please advise me
thanks
chandu

Hi,
you can't use the order type related to category is 20, because it will use full only PS. you can create the internal order with category 10 and maintain the settlement rule said that to be settled at WBS element.
Thanks and Regards
Nagaraju SSV

Difference between WBS element and internal order?

What is the main difference between WBS element number and internal order number?
Points will be given!

Hi,
WBS:
The work breakdown structure (WBS) is a model of the project that organizes project tasks into a hierarchy.
It is the functional basis for further planning steps in a project, for example, for process planning, cost planning, scheduling, capacity planning or costing, as well as project control.
It gives you a clear picture of the project and facilitates the coordination and implementation of the project from a management standpoint.
It shows the work involved in a project.
check this link also
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_erp60_sp/helpdata/en/a9/8a853488601e33e10000009b38f83b/frameset.htm
Internal order:
Internal orders are normally used to plan, collect, and settle the costs of internal jobs and tasks. The SAP system enables you to monitor your internal orders throughout their entire life-cycle; from initial creation, through the planning and posting of all the actual costs, to the final settlement and archiving:
check this link also
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_erp60_sp/helpdata/en/a9/ab7f68414111d182b10000e829fbfe/frameset.htm
if this helps,please assign points.
Thanks,
Rau

Difference between TECO and CLSD in internal order/WBS

Hi friends,
Can anyone please tell me what is the difference between These two status TECO[Technically Complete] and CLSD [Closed] in internal order/WBS elements.
Thanks
Wilson

Hi,
Good morning and greetings,
The term TECO stands for Technically Completed and this status is activated to do month end settlements to the IO so that costs accumulated till that point would be compared against the planned cost and would be settled for difference... The TECO status would be revoked after the month end to continue for further collecting of costs and would be settled finally...Once you invoke the status CLSD the system will not allow you to post any more further postings to the internal order.
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Thanking you
With kindest regards
Ramesh Padmanabhan

Internal order, cc, wbs

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If a department gives me an old account number do I have to look up the new SAP (Internal Order, Cost Center, or Work Breakdown Structure Element) number?
regards,

Hi
Yes, you must look up the new SAP number in order to process the transaction. The crosswalk from old to new account can be found at the link below. Select Cost Object Crosswalk on the right hand bottom corner:
http://www.jhu.edu/hopkinsone/Secure_Private/ProjectAreas/Finance/index.htm
Alternatively, use the on-line crosswalk tool found at:
http://orchid.hosts.jhmi.edu/hopkinsone/xWalk/index.cfm
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