WDS relaying open non Apple networks

I'm wondering if my Airport Extreme will connect to
this open Belkin network (I've recently found at the
studio where I work) and using WDS extend the
internet signal and relay it onto my computers. I'm
fairly sure this isn't possible. As all the
preferences in WDS talk of 'Airport ID's' to connect
to. I'm guessing that WDS is an Apple only thing and
maybe isn't universal relaying language. But it's
worth asking.
So any thoughts or ideas to take best advantages of
this open network would be welcome.
Short answer: No.
Long Answer:
Only Apple and Buffalo officially support WDS that I know of. And although WDS works within a set of 802.11 standards, each manufacturer's implementation of WDS is different since WDS allows for this flexibility. Of course the result is interoperability issues.
Certain manufacturer's wireless base stations do allow for something called client mode. Basically the base station acts like a wireless card in your laptop. Very useful for connecting to other open wireless networks in your area, then everything on your end can be wired or wireless, but all within your control. I do not believe Apple has this feature.

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TC as WDS remote to non-Apple (Belkin modem-router) main?

I have a Belkin ADSL modem with built-in G wireless currently serving an MBP/10.5.3. I've just purchased a 512GB Time Capsule and have managed to set it up for wireless backup with some swearing.
I would now like to use the TC as a WDS remote to the Belkin main as I've a second wired Mac I'd like to connect to the TC for internet access, but so far have been unable to get this arrangement to work.
I've enabled Wireless Bridge/WDS in the Belkin and added TC's MAC address to its list of permitted clients. I've then added the Belkin's connection details to TC's AirPort>WDS>Wireless pane and entered the Belkin's MAC address into TC's AirPort>WDS>WDS Main field. Checked the settings and it all looks like it should work, but when the TC restarts it complains that it can't find the WDS or internet connection.
Apple docs are unclear on whether or not a TC is capable of connecting to a non-Apple network in WDS mode. (Though if not, why not?) Has anyone managed a similar arrangement, and if so, how? Alternatively, does anyone know if such an arrangement definitely won't work, in which case I won't waste any more time on it?
Thanks

I'd been having a similar problem. I was trying to extend a network using my time capsule; the original network is run off a 'BT HomeHub' router provided by the UK ISP British Telecom (I'm not sure what the actual model is, I think some kind of Thompson Speedtouch). I knew the BT router was capable of supporting WDS and dchao99 was absolutely correct (thanks for the really useful post) in that when I turned all encryption off the devices could talk. From what I've seen, this is the case for most non-apple routers that support WDS.
After looking around on other message boards, the encryption problem seems to be whether the routers allow you input passwords using ascii or hex. The TC will only let you put in a WEP password using 128-bit ascii (thirteen characters). Unfortunately it doesn't tell you that explicitly. The problem I'd been having when setting up WDS was that my non-apple router was asking for the password in hex; a 128-bit WEP password is 13 ascii characters but 26 characters hen translated into hex. So what I'd been doing was deciding on a 13 character pass key for the TC, and putting the same pass key into my non-apple router; the reason the routers couldn't talk is because the two passwords were different when the latter is read as a hex. Once I'd twigged this I just translated the 13 character ascii key into a 26-character hex string using a translator on the net, stuck that in my non-apple router, and now WDS works like a dream.
The WEP coding problem seems to be a really common reason why people can't get WDS to work with TC, and so if you're having trouble I'd suggest the following:
1) turn all protection off on all your routers and try WDS to see if they are in fact compatible.
2) if they work without protection, set your TC to WEP protection and make up a 13 character ascii password
3) translate this ascii string into a 26 character hex string using a translator and write it down (you can find one at http://centricle.com/tools/ascii-hex ; just remove the '%' symbols from the translated string)
3) in your non-apple router make sure you select 128-bit WEP encryption, figure out whether it wants a 13 letter ascii code or a 26 letter hex code, and use the appropriate one. If you can't tell which it wants you'll have to try both.

How do I add an Airport Extreme with Time Capsule to an existing non-Apple network?

How do I add an Airport Extreme with Time Capsule to an existing non-Apple network? I have an ISP provided wireless Router that has to remain as the base station. I am able to join my 1/2TB Airport Extreme and Airport Express to the network, but I can't access/use Time Machine.

One option would be to connect the Time Capsule (TC) to the ISP-provided wireless router by Ethernet. You can then configure the for a roaming network. Then, depending on what your goal is for the AirPort Express, you can either: 1) Add it to roaming network, 2) Configure the TC & the Express for an "extended" network, or 3) Configure the Express to "join" the roaming network for AirPlay.

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Using an AE with a non-Apple network

Hello,
I have a new 802.11n airport express that I would like to use solely for streaming music from an ipod touch to my stereo (airtunes). The problem is that I am sharing wireless with my neighbor (yes sharing, not stealing, he gave me his password), and I would like to get the AE on that network, which is a non-apple network. Since I don't want to use the AE for internet I could just set it up with it's own network without internet and run airtunes that way. Unfortunately, in order to connect to it I believe I would have to disconnect from my neighbor's wireless network which would take me offline. This would be fine if I was playing music stored on my ipod touch, but I mostly play music through Spotify which requires an internet connection. So instead I would like to figure out how to join the AE to my neigbor's non-apple network using his network pretection info he gave me. Is this straightforward or do I have to change the settings to a different mode, like ProxySTA? Will it even work at all with a non-apple network?
This is a ski house I am renting for the winter and I am currently not up there, so I am trying to figure this out before the season starts.
Thanks so much for any help.
Sam

I would like to figure out how to join the AE to my neigbor's non-apple network using his network pretection info he gave me.
To join the wireless network, you would choose the option during setup of the AirPort Express (AX) to "Join a wireless network" and follow the guided step by step configuration process.
You will need to know the exact type of wireless security that is being used on the wireless network and the password for the network. You probably already know the password, but you will need to tell the AX what type of security settings it should use during the setup.
Unfortunately, there is just no way to set up the AX for the task that you want in advance because it needs to "see" the wireless signal before you can begin to configure the device.

Using a non-Apple network attached storage device in lieu of Time Capsule

Can anyone suggest the steps one would need to take to have a non-Apple network attached storage device (HPMediavault) recognised by the Airport Utility so that it may be employed for file storage via Time Machine in lieu of a Time Capsule?

Sorry, but TM will not work with third-party NAS - only Time Capsule.
Requirements to use Time Machine
Time Machine is only available with Leopard (10.5.x)
1. External FireWire or USB 2.0 drive
2. Time Capsule
3. Drive shared by a Mac running 10.5 or later using File Sharing
4. Drive shared by a Mac running 10.5 Server
5. SAN volume managed by Apple's Xsan file system
A TM drive must be partitioned with either APM (PPC) or GUID (Intel) and formatted Mac OS Extended (Journaled.)
An Airport Extreme Base Station with a USB drive connected to it can be used with TM but it is not supported by Apple.

Joining, NOT extending, a non-apple network

I just bought an Airport Express (N) for the purpose of using it to do Airplay. Just Airplay, no extending networks.
I have a not-Apple network (ASUS router running Tomato), so I do not expect "extend" to work easily.
When I ask airport utility (6.3.1) for Other options, it offers "Add to an existing network", which I choose, and
it reports that it will "Set up this AirPort Express to join or extend an existing Wi-Fi network".
However, when I then click "Next", it declares that "This AirPort Express will be set up to extend "mynetwork" ".
WRONG.
This AirPort Express will be set up to require a factory reset, because it cannot extend my non-standard network, and does not offer me the option to only join the network. It will get wedged. That is not at all what I want, but that us what WILL happen (I have tried this several times, I have tried dorking around with my Tomato wireless network to do WDS, to not do WDS, etc.
I tried to download 5.6 to see if that would work, but no, not on Mountain Lion.
I have tried holding down the option key while probing various menus and panes, but not luck there, either.
Are there any incantations, either on the Apple side or the Tomato side, that might work?
I still have 14 days to return this white brick.

I tried to download 5.6 to see if that would work, but no, not on Mountain Lion
You have to use a workaround to do this, but there are no guarantees, since Apple does not support this.
http://frank.is/mountain-lion-and-the-old-airport-utility/

Using the Airport Base as a WDS on a non-mac network

I have a cable modem (Optimum Online) and a wireless router (Netgear WGR814) connected to my PC desktop. And I use a Powerbook 12" G4 to connect wirelessly to the network.
Can I use an Airport Extreme Base station as a remote station on the Netgear network to extend the range of the Netgear router so that my laptop works on a different floor?
I installed the Airport software onto my PC. What settings do I need?

No, the AirPort Extreme Base Station (AEBS) or the AirPort Express Base Station (AX) do not allow for extending a wireless network using WDS with non-Apple routers. There have been only a few examples where this has been accompished with Linksys routers.

HT1178 is it possible to use a 4th generation Time Capsule to extend a non-apple network?

Is it possible to use a 4th Gen. TC to extend a non-Apple (Netgear N600) network?

No, not if you are asking about extending the network wirelessly.
If you can connect the TC permanently to the Netgear router using a wired Ethernet connection, then the TC can be setup to provide more wireless signal coverage that way.

Can a non apple network be extended with airport extream?

I have a Verison Fios router and am contimplating buying an airport extream or express. I was wondering if I can extend my network with either one of these routers and if so, how to go about doing this. Thanks.

so if I understand you correctly, you are saying that it is actually possible, but it may take a lot more work on my end?
In almost all cases, it is simply not possible.
There are only a handful of routers that are known to be compatible with Apple's version of WDS.
Belkin F5D7230-4 and F5D7231
BT Voyager 2091 or 2100
Buffalo WGR-G54
Linksys WRT54G or WRT54GS (not latest versions v5)
Netgear WGR614 v6
SMC (one model - don't know the model number)
Thompson 585v6 wireless router (40 bit WEP works but stronger encryption does not)
Most of these models are 4-5 years old, or older.

Extending a None Apple Network.

I have 2 airport Express Connected to my Wireless network (D-Link Router).
When I try to extend the network each express only finds the other one and not my router and so it is not actually extending it??
Any ideas?

I phoned Apple support before buying these to ask this very question and they said that an airport express would extend a standard Sky wireless router??
Sorry, the nice folks at Apple support either misunderstood your question, or provided you with incorrect information...even though I am sure that they meant well.
You can prove to yourself that the Express devices will not "extend" the D-Link network if you have some time and want to follow the normal setup steps. Post back if you want to do this.
Or, you could wait for other forum "experts" to confirm my answer.

Using a Time Capsule to Extend a Non Apple Network

I have a home network that i use to connect to through wifi, i tried to extend it through my Time Capsule and it said "This network cannot be extended".
Whats the deal?
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If you've managed to set the Time Capsule up to "extend a wireless network" from the Belkin router, you are the first person to report success with this type of configuration.
Would you mind posting the details of your configuration so that others might benefit from your success?
You can perform a quick check on your configuration by locating your Mac near the Time Capsule and holding down the option key on the keyboard while you click on the fan shaped AirPort icon at the top of the screen.
The BSSID you see will be the AirPort ID of the Time Capsule. If you perform the same check near the Belkin router, you should see a different ID, that of the Belkin. Is this the case?

Extending range of non-Apple network?

I have a Linksys wireless router/gateway in my main office (let's call office 'A'), which serves as my main wireless access point, and the Linksys also has a built-in 10/100 switch, which is where I connect my wired computers and also my Mac fileserver on my network.
I have a second office about 30 feet away (let's call it office 'B') which I'd like to connect to office A, but there's no ethernet wiring between the two. There are several devices in office B that are wired only (no WiFi), so I can't simply join them wirelessly to the Linksys WAP.
I do, however, have a spare Airport Express base station, and I was imagining the following:
I could put the spare Airport Express station in Office B, and connect all my wired 'Office B' devices to the ethernet port on the Express (via a 5 port switch or something similar). Then I was thinking there might be a way to have the Express bridge all it's Ethernet port traffic wirelessly to the Linksys down the hall, which bridges all the wireless data back to it's wired LAN, thus making one happy bridged network.
Does anyone know if this can be done?

Depending on the model of your Linksys...the following articles might prove helpful: http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php?title=WDSLinked_routernetwork & http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20060609053254368&query=linksys%2Bw rt54g

Is it possible to use an Apple Time Capsule simply as a network attached storage device on my existing (non-Apple) network (without using it to create or extend a WiFi network)?

My netowrk is working fine, but I would like to use the Time Capsule simply as a storage device for backups, etc.

Plug into the TC with ethernet.. although you can do it by wireless if you need to..
In the airport utility change the network tab from DHCP + NAT to Off (bridge mode).
That is from v6 utility in the Mac.. different for v5 utility in windows if that is what you use.
with the TC in bridge it is just a dumb switch and AP on the network.. plus a network hard disk.
If you are using it just for backups that is fine.. but remember the TC is not a real NAS.. storing files on the TC is fraught.. because it has no way to back itself up and Time Machine cannot backup the TC.

Which non Apple Router to extend AX?

Guys
Spent some time many months ago looking into whether an AX can extend a network via WDS from a non Apple router. Anyway looking again now and all searches are saying this can't be done.
Anyway I am positive I read there are one or two modem/routers - possibly Netgear and/or Linksys that can work with an AX to extend but can't find these threads.
Is this now impossible? (new implementation of Apple WDS?) Was it once possible? (Just to confirm I'm not going insane).
Cheers

For WDS with non-AirPort routers the following, that were gleaned from the Internet, are known to work:
o Linksys WRT54G or WRT54GS (not v5)
o Belkin F5D7230-4 and F5D7231
o BT Voyager 2091
o Netgear WGR614 v6
o Buffalo WGR-G54

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