Web Services in Inter Organisation BPM

Hi All,
What are the pros and cons of using web service based decentralise approach for managing Inter-Organisational BPM? What are the challenges and what are the benefits?
Regards,
Ganesh Sawant

PROS:
Using the Webservices you can trigger the BPM Process and pass the values from the web dypro component which will available for the end user and pass it on to the BPM Proess.
We can use EJB as a webservice, where the automated activity in the BPM can output the value based on the logic in the EJB Function. We can manage the automated activity which runs in the back ground of the process as per our logic and returns the value to the next task.
CONS
Using Webservices in the various activity with fewer data is not advisable as it takes longer time to deploy the process. And any change in the data in the webservices requires regularly re importing of the web services.

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Role of Web Services in cross organisation BPM

What are the pros and cons of using web service based decentralise approach for managing Inter-Organisational BPM? What are the challenges and what are the benefits?
Regards
Ganesh Sawant

PROS:
Using the Webservices you can trigger the BPM Process and pass the values from the web dypro component which will available for the end user and pass it on to the BPM Proess.
We can use EJB as a webservice, where the automated activity in the BPM can output the value based on the logic in the EJB Function. We can manage the automated activity which runs in the back ground of the process as per our logic and returns the value to the next task.
CONS
Using Webservices in the various activity with fewer data is not advisable as it takes longer time to deploy the process. And any change in the data in the webservices requires regularly re importing of the web services.

Autonomy is Inter organisational BPM

Which approach is suitable for maintaining high degree of autonomy in inter organisational BPM?
How it affects the ownership of processes?
These approaches are Centralise, Decentralise, and Peer-to-Peer.
Explanation of these approaches:
Centralise CBPM: Ownership of Collaborative System is with one Central Organisation and other Partners Participate in this collaboration through use of various UIu2019s such as portal. Example, Collaboration between the automobile manufacturer and dealer were automobile manufacturer provides portal for dealer to place order, manage its customer and handle warranty and recalls.
Decentralise CBPM: In this approach every partner provides communication technology like Web Services for its Business Partner for collaboration. The ownership is decentralise and more flexible
Peer-to-Peer CBPM: In ideal condition in this approach every Partner should have the same technology which is developed for handling collaborative Business Processes. In this case the same modelling, monitoring, and implementation technology is available across the value chain.
I kindly request your views and appreciate any questions and guidance.
Regards,
Ganesh Sawant

Hi Afzal,
in all the customizing setting of note 308989 are good, then those fields should be filled.
Please check it very carefully.
Please check in customizing of sales order type (transaction VOV8) if the intercompany billing type maintained.
In case of stock tranfer order intercompany (where there is not sales order), run transaction 0VLK, display the delivery type used, and check the order type present in field 'Default Ord.Ty.' (usually it is 'DL').
Then check in VOV8 for this sales order type.
If everything is fine, then it is necessary to debug the delivery creation.
The field LIKP-VKOIV etc. should be filled in program FV50XFLK_LIKP_FUELLEN_IV in intercompany sales; program FV50XFLK_LIKP_FUELLEN_IV_UML in stock transfer order intercompany.
Best regards,
Ivano.

Autonomy, Governance and Monitoring Inter Organisational BPM

Hi All,
Which technological approach is suitable for implementing Collaborating BPM across the value chain from the point of view of Autonomy, Governance, Security, and Monitoring? What are the benefits of selecting the one approach over the other?
These approaches are Centralise, Decentralise, and Peer-to-Peer.
Explanation of these approaches:
Centralise CBPM: Ownership of Collaborative System is with one Central Organisation and other Partners Participate in this collaboration through use of various UI’s such as portal. Example, Collaboration between the automobile manufacturer and dealer were automobile manufacturer provides portal for dealer to place order, manage its customer and handle warranty and recalls.
Decentralise CBPM: In this approach every partner provides communication technology like Web Services for its Business Partner for collaboration. The ownership is decentralise and more flexible
Peer-to-Peer CBPM: In ideal condition in this approach every Partner should have the same technology which is developed for handling collaborative Business Processes. In this case the same modelling, monitoring, and implementation technology is available across the value chain.
I kindly request your views and appreciate any questions and guidance.
Regards,
Ganesh Sawant

PROS:
Using the Webservices you can trigger the BPM Process and pass the values from the web dypro component which will available for the end user and pass it on to the BPM Proess.
We can use EJB as a webservice, where the automated activity in the BPM can output the value based on the logic in the EJB Function. We can manage the automated activity which runs in the back ground of the process as per our logic and returns the value to the next task.
CONS
Using Webservices in the various activity with fewer data is not advisable as it takes longer time to deploy the process. And any change in the data in the webservices requires regularly re importing of the web services.

Approach for Inter Organisational BPM

Hi All,
I am doing Masters Dissertation in Collaborative BPM. My research topic is the evaluation of three approached for collaborating BPM across value chain.
Explanation of these approaches:
Centralise CBPM: Ownership of Collaborative System is with one Central Organisation and Other Partners Participate in this collaboration through various UI such as portal. Example, Collaboration between the automobile manufacturer and dealer were automobile manufacturer provides portal for dealer to place order, manage its customer and handle warranty and recalls.
Decentralise CBPM: In this approach every partner provides communication technology like Web Services for its Business Partner for collaboration. The ownership is decentralise and more flexible
Peer-to-Peer CBPM: In ideal condition in this approach every Partner should have the same technology which is developed for handling collaborative Business Processes. In this case the same modelling facility is available across the value chain.
I found below critical aspects for evaluating these three approaches:
1] Autonomy
2] Collaborative process Modelling
3] Monitoring, Controlling, and Analysis
4] “Plug and Play” based Platform for Collaboration (Includes Security, Web Service and various adapters for communication and Language Support like Java for easy custom enhancement)
5] Governance
I kindly request you all to post your views about pros and cons for evaluating these approaches from the aforementioned critical aspects.
I welcome your questions and appreciate your valuable guidance.
Thank you ,
Regards,
Ganesh Sawant

PROS:
Using the Webservices you can trigger the BPM Process and pass the values from the web dypro component which will available for the end user and pass it on to the BPM Proess.
We can use EJB as a webservice, where the automated activity in the BPM can output the value based on the logic in the EJB Function. We can manage the automated activity which runs in the back ground of the process as per our logic and returns the value to the next task.
CONS
Using Webservices in the various activity with fewer data is not advisable as it takes longer time to deploy the process. And any change in the data in the webservices requires regularly re importing of the web services.

Autonomy, Governance and Monitoring in Inter Organisational BPM

Which technological approach is suitable for implementing Collaborating BPM across the value chain from the point of view of Autonomy, Governance, Security, and Monitoring? What are the benefits of selecting the one approach over the other?
These approaches are Centralise, Decentralise, and Peer-to-Peer.
Explanation of these approaches:
Centralise CBPM: Ownership of Collaborative System is with one Central Organisation and other Partners Participate in this collaboration through use of various UIu2019s such as portal. Example, Collaboration between the automobile manufacturer and dealer were automobile manufacturer provides portal for dealer to place order, manage its customer and handle warranty and recalls.
Decentralise CBPM: In this approach every partner provides communication technology like Web Services for its Business Partner for collaboration. The ownership is decentralise and more flexible
Peer-to-Peer CBPM: In ideal condition in this approach every Partner should have the same technology which is developed for handling collaborative Business Processes. In this case the same modelling, monitoring, and implementation technology is available across the value chain.
I kindly request your views and appreciate any questions and guidance.
Regards,
Ganesh Sawant

PROS:
Using the Webservices you can trigger the BPM Process and pass the values from the web dypro component which will available for the end user and pass it on to the BPM Proess.
We can use EJB as a webservice, where the automated activity in the BPM can output the value based on the logic in the EJB Function. We can manage the automated activity which runs in the back ground of the process as per our logic and returns the value to the next task.
CONS
Using Webservices in the various activity with fewer data is not advisable as it takes longer time to deploy the process. And any change in the data in the webservices requires regularly re importing of the web services.

Challenges in Implementing Inter Organisation BPM

Hi all,
What are the Technical and Business challenges for implementing collaborative BPM across the value chain?
What critical aspects need be considered for implementing Cross Organisational BPM?
Thank you,
Regards,
Ganesh Sawant
Edited by: ganesh sawant on Jul 16, 2011 8:57 PM

PROS:
Using the Webservices you can trigger the BPM Process and pass the values from the web dypro component which will available for the end user and pass it on to the BPM Proess.
We can use EJB as a webservice, where the automated activity in the BPM can output the value based on the logic in the EJB Function. We can manage the automated activity which runs in the back ground of the process as per our logic and returns the value to the next task.
CONS
Using Webservices in the various activity with fewer data is not advisable as it takes longer time to deploy the process. And any change in the data in the webservices requires regularly re importing of the web services.

Web Service consumption fails in BPM

Hi,
I am new in the BPM and trying to create some demo applications using the tutorials from SDN.
I have created a BPM process and import a web service in that for an automated activities.
During execution the web service fails and giving the the following error.
"Unable to generate configuration data - The service group might not registered with the provider system".
I've tested the web service is running fine from the web service navigator.
I am using CE7.1.
Regards
Indra

Hi Indra ,
You should assign a service group for the automated activity in your process. Click on the automated activity in the design time and goto properties tab and select "Interface". There you can create a new service group. This should fix the error you are getting.
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Rohit

Urgeent: Web Service Invokation Error form BPM studi

Hi
I'm using BPM Studio 10.3.
I have a Web service and i want to call it form my process. But whenever I invoke it a problem occures.
I can invoke it from my code out of studio.
The complete exception message is:
fuego.lang.ComponentExecutionException: The task could not be successfully executed.
Reason: 'java.net.SocketException: Connection reset'.
Bye
Edited by: user1045467 on Mar 3, 2009 10:12 PM

Hi everybody
I found the solution.
It was all for my windows. I used windows Xp Service Pack 3.
I run my process on other computer running windows XP Service Pack 2 and everything was fine, I invoked service successfully.
The bad thing about windows was that I could invoke my service from another java code, but when invoking it from BPM suite had errors.
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Async system - XI BPM Sync - Web service - SOAP response

Dear Experts:
I have the following scenario:
Async Proxy to XI to web service. I use BPM to make this a sync call to the web service. It works fine!
I have a XSLT mapping for the response message from the web service. I use XSLT because the structure of the positive and fault responses are different. Anyway, I could get the positive response post ok back in the XI system.
But the fault response does not get mapped and I get a APPLICATION_ERROR of category UNKNOWN in the SXMB_MONI. I also configured exception handling in the BPM. But it does not catch this error.
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I just had the same problem and solved it like this: I modified the WSDL slightly by removing the prefix from the reference to the element of the response message, as well as the "targetNamespace" in the xsd:schema segment of the WSDL. Like this, SAP is able to parse the response.
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Sync Web Service - BPM with 2 sync proxy calls error.

Hi.
Have a sync web service going into a BPM.
In the BPM there ar 2 sync calls towards a system making a credit check.
The answer is responded to the web service.
In our QA system the solution works perfect.
I transported the solution to production and when I test the web service call towards I get the following error.
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- 
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<SAP:P2 />
<SAP:P3 />
<SAP:P4 />
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Looks like we never send the first sync call to the proxy when I check in SXMB_MONI and the BPM gets terminated.
We have just migrated the solution from XI 3.0 to PI 7.11.
BR
Kalle

Hi.
How will that help if we do not send the message.
When I check the graphics in SXMB_MONI the error occours befor we send the first message with proxy.
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BR
Kalle

JSP-BPM Process-Web Service interaction

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I am new to Oracle bpm studio. I am having one very important question.
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So in brief, jsp and external webservices are imported in our BPM project, configured as interactive & global activity respectively.
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Hi Sujata
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We have a synchronous web service - an EJB whose methods are exposed as web service
methods. The EJB acts as a broker, and channels web service requests to the BPM.
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needs to start a BPM workflow, wait for its completion (as the web service is
synchronous) and get the output response XML to return to the web service client.
In this scenario, we have questions in two major areas -
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in the workflow, how is it received by this EJB? Alternatively, is it better to
put all the response in workflow variables, and inspect it after the workflow
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in case of exceptions = where would they be caught?
2) There are various simultaneous tasks in the workflow, and we want to merge
the XML response of all of these. How is it best done?
Note that all of these are dynamic and need to be done in code i.e. Human intervention
through worklist / studio is not expected.
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Regards,
Milind Prabhu
[mailto:[email protected]]

You can try the message driven bean.
It will slove your problem.
and you can use the database to save your run time xml response.
Good luck!
"Milind Prabhu" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:3c55830c$[email protected]..
>
We have a synchronous web service - an EJB whose methods are exposed asweb service
methods. The EJB acts as a broker, and channels web service requests tothe BPM.
Each web service request (i.e. each EJB method) needs to interact with afew AppView
services. We plan to use the BPM as an intermediate layer. Hence each EJBmethod
needs to start a BPM workflow, wait for its completion (as the web serviceis
synchronous) and get the output response XML to return to the web serviceclient.
In this scenario, we have questions in two major areas -
1) How does the EJB get the response from the workflow? For e.g. If we usesendXMLToClient
in the workflow, how is it received by this EJB? Alternatively, is itbetter to
put all the response in workflow variables, and inspect it after theworkflow
completes i.e. after WorkflowInstance.waitForCompletion() ? What wouldhappen
in case of exceptions = where would they be caught?
2) There are various simultaneous tasks in the workflow, and we want tomerge
the XML response of all of these. How is it best done?
Note that all of these are dynamic and need to be done in code i.e. Humanintervention
through worklist / studio is not expected.
Please advise.
Regards,
Milind Prabhu
[mailto:[email protected]]

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2: String param = "John";
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4: ws.sayHello(name : parame; out result : retresult);
and,I have import HelloWorldWebService by wsdl into catalog.
In fact,at line 1 there is a error(fuego.connector.ConnectorRuntimeException: session is not started). Web service's instance is not created.
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Hi,
I tried calling a simple webservice deployed in weblogic 8.1(see code) and it was working fine for me.
Code for WS
package service;
import com.bea.control.JwsContext;
import com.bea.jws.Protocol;
import org.xmlsoap.schemas.soap.envelope.HeaderDocument;
import com.bea.xml.XmlException;
import org.w3c.dom.Element;
import org.w3c.dom.Node;
import org.w3c.dom.NodeList;
public class CheckCredit implements com.bea.jws.WebService
* @common:context
JwsContext context;
static final long serialVersionUID = 1L;
* @common:operation
* @jws:protocol form-get="false" form-post="false"
public boolean getCreditRating(String cardNumber)
System.out.println("Card number is: " + cardNumber );
boolean result = ((int)(Math.random() *100)) % 2 == 0?true:false;
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Code from ALBPM Object method
creditRatingResult as Bool
getCreditRating CheckCreditService
using cardNumber = "1234-5567-4667-4566"
returning creditRatingResult = creditRatingResult
logMessage "Result is: " + creditRatingResult
What I suggest for you problem is:
1. Check the server on which you have deployed the WS. Does it require any sort of authentication prior to connecting to the WS
2. It seems you are using Java style in ALBPM. Try switching to PBL. I don't know how it makes a difference, but sometimes it helps
Thanks and Regards
Vivek Nandey
BEA Certified Developer for Integration Solutions
[email protected]

Process Ownership in Cross Organisation BPM

Hi all,
What are the pros and cons of using Peer-to-Peer based decentralise approach for managing Inter-Organisational BPM?
What are the challenges and what are the benefits from the aspects like autonomy, governance, security, modelling, monitoring, and process ownership?
Regards,
Ganesh Sawant

PROS:
Using the Webservices you can trigger the BPM Process and pass the values from the web dypro component which will available for the end user and pass it on to the BPM Proess.
We can use EJB as a webservice, where the automated activity in the BPM can output the value based on the logic in the EJB Function. We can manage the automated activity which runs in the back ground of the process as per our logic and returns the value to the next task.
CONS
Using Webservices in the various activity with fewer data is not advisable as it takes longer time to deploy the process. And any change in the data in the webservices requires regularly re importing of the web services.

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