Wedding photographer - NEF+JPG?

Still evaluating LR2... questions:
I shoot RAW (Nikon, NEF, actually often NEF+JPG) for formals, but only JPG for dancing/action shots (since I shoot tons of these images and rarely need anything larger than a partial album page, and the image quality is fine). I've had no trouble importing the mix, but I'm a bit puzzled about exporting the soted and adjusted batch of images... It seems that the RAW image of a NEF+JPG is the only one visible, correct. (Yes, I know I can set the option to import both as two separate images, but that's not really what I want.)
What I need to end up with is a JPG of each selected image. So what happens if I export the selected set as JPEGs? The NEF files I guess are converted to JPEGs (or does it simply export the associated JPG file?) and what about the JPEG-only files? Are they siomply copied, or are new JPG files created (thus possibly increasing noise)? I can't seem to find this answer anywhere.... any insights would be greatly appreciated!

Dorin,
Thank you for your reply. What are the characteristics of said "high quality embedded JPEG" in the RAW files? Can you elaborate? Are you referring to the previews that LR generates and stores in the Lightroom\Preview folder (but thus can only be read by LR)? Or do RAW files from the camera come with a JPEG embedded?
One reason I would like to have the JPEG out of the camera is that I feel the JPEGs are often pretty good, especially out of my Olympus E-1 and E-3 and Fuji S5 Pro bodies. In fact, unless there are some exposure problems that I need the RAW files for so I can "rescue" them, a lot of times the JPEG engine in my E-3 and S5 Pro can do just as good a job as I can, if not better (unless I spend a bunch of time flogging the pics in LR). And the bonus is I don't have to spend any time editing them!
As well, I often like to use the JPEGs as reference. They're usually fairly good out of the camera, so before I edit the RAW pics, I like to check out the JPEG to give me an idea of how it should look according to the camera. That reference point allows me to make my adjustments to the RAW file more quickly, as usually it's at least half way to what the image should look like -- much closer than the RAW file is out of the camera, anyways, and almost always better than what the Auto Tone feature gives me.
So as you can tell, I do value the OoC JPEGs quite highly for a couple reasons. Does my rationale make sense, or is it fundamentally flawed? But more imporantly, is there any way to have them peacefully coexist in one's workflow? If it's not feasible, then that's the way it is, I guess*.
* - ( but surely, I can't be alone in this, as I recall reading on other forums debates about using RAW vs JPEG. Several of these debates eventually ended with the conclusion of "why not shoot both? Use JPEGs to save time and RAW when quality is critical or when you have exposure problems". Made perfect sense to me at the time...)

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In the past I have used L:R to view my Nikon NEF files side by side with JPG files from the camera and discovered the amazing versatility of the NEF files at fixing problems in image files and I have therefore always preferred working with RAW files.
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I've been satisfied with most of my JPGs in the past but I'm taking more RAW images now and finding that they don't match the JPG color when viewed in Aperture 3. When I use ViewNX to tweak RAW images the "starting point" for color and adjustments is much closer to the matching JPG but when I use Aperture, there are obvious differences between the JPG and Aperture's 'conversion' of the RAW image. The listed White Balance is different when Auto WB is used and the histogram is much different. The RAW image isn't a good starting point from which to begin tweaking to improve upon the JPG.
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