Weird Sustain Pedal issues.

Recently upgraded to Mainstage 2 on Macbook, OSX 10.6.2. At my studio I use a first-generation Roland Fantom as a controller, and at gigs I use an ancient Roland MKB-300. Both are transmitting MIDI via M-Audio Uno USB interface (w/ most recent driver upgrades).
The sustain pedal doesn't work when I'm using the MKB-300 with Mainstage 2, but when I use Fantom, it works. Sustain pedal works fine with either controller in Mainstage 1. Naturally I assumed there was something different in the MIDI controller data being sent from the MKB-300, but I checked them by recording sus pedal controller data from both into Logic and looking at them in the list editor window, and the controller data is exactly the same for both- MIDI ch 1, cont #64, press down=127, release pedal=0.
Again, either keyboard works fine in Mainstage one. And I don't have any trouble with MIDI note on/off data. Anyone have any idea what the heck is going on here?
Thanks,
Mitchell

I figured it out... this is so freaking strange. My Roland MKB-300 controller spits out a controller #123 message anytime all keys are released- that's an "all notes off" controller message that kills anything regardless of sustain pedal. Chalk it up to VERY early MIDI implementation (1986).
My totally ghetto solution was to tape down the highest note on the keyboard so it always thinks something is down. Anyone have any idea how to filter controller #123 messages in Mainstage???
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