What about customers with Flash blocked?

Hi!
We're developing Flex solutions for clients, and one of our
clients asked about their customers and what happened if they have
Flash either not installed at all or Flash content blocked. This
could be for (real or perceived) security reasons, or this could be
to keep employees from viewing sites like YouTube or Flash gaming
sites. This could be a deal-breaker to us because if the client
isn't convinced that all their customers can use Flash, they will
not use Flex at all.
So have any of you encountered these kind of problems? What
do you do in that case - how can you convince a customer to either
install Flash or unblock it for your Flex solution? I mean you
don't know what infrastructure a client has and whether blocking
"bad Flash content" (YouTube, games etc.) and letting "good Flash
content" (our Flex apps) through is an option at all.
Thank you!
Karsten Silz

1) Flash/flex and other client object apps can run on a
case-by-case basis via digital security certificates. The user can
then trust your app to run without inviting in the u-tube armies.
2) Agreed with other comments that you will likely need to
give users an alternate user interface otherwise.
3) If you are selling, you can also just run an off-line
presentation. Perhaps in seeing the presentation they will buy into
it.

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