What are your Refurb experiences?

Hi All. I noticed the good deals on refurbs on the late 2008/early 2009 MBP's now that the new line up has come out. These refurbs look like great deals. Good prices and you still get both the 9400m and 9600m GPU's.
My question is: Can anyone let me know about their experiences with Mac Refurbs? I have a late 2008 MBP and love it - I am trying to find out for a friend who is looking to make the switch to Mac.
Would be interested to hear.
Thanks
M.

I bought a 17 inch refurb a few years back. It came with an ill-fitting lid, missing the "K" in Macbook Pro, and had a scratch on it. Apple was shocked and quickly replaced the machine no questions asked.
The replacement had ENDLESS problems, but after 10 months, 4 logic boards, a kensington lock slot replacement, and a optical drive replacement all under warranty, I convinced them that they should just mail me a brand new machine for my troubles. They did. The new machine was 2 years newer and came with a "clean-slate" warranty that started again as if it were purchased.
I have just bought another refurb macbook pro (15 this time) and it has been lovely except for some graphics card, dual display, and sleep issues. However, this appears to be related to 10.5.7 software as opposed to a hardware problem as many are reporting such issues. Worst case, they will fix it for me under warranty or replace the machine.
In spite of my troubles I would recommend a refurbished machine because applecare is so fantastic. I just saved $1050 on this machine that even smells brand new! haha...
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Originally posted by markt435
Well I finally got my system fixed. Hmmm I have about a 20 sec start up. My proc is overclocked to 3.4Ghz as well. I would try reseating memory or clearing the BIOS. Or putting different sticks of memory in if you have any laying around.
Already done-----See last paragraph of my post....

I want to use 2 monitors with my mbp, what are thoughts, I do web development and require another screen. I want to pretty much use my mbp as a desktop at home and attach 2 external monitors, what are your thoughts

I use Adobe tools, photoshop, dreamweaver etc. I am constantly playing music and run out of space for viewing what I build on one screen. What can you recommend I do to solve the issue? The mac cinema is nice and all but still just one giant display. 2 monitors would be great but can my laptop handle it if I add an external video card via usb 2.0? Help! My laptop has 384MB DDR3 SDRAM shared video memory, plus AMD Radeon HD 6750M graphics with 512MB GDDR5 video memory.
What are my options?

i've been looking for a while as well and either this (http://www.amazon.com/Matrox-D2G-DP2D-MIF-DualHead2Go-Digital-ME/dp/B0080K6WIG) seems to be the only thing that will make it work.
i'm about to buy one and will chime back in when it comes and i have it set up...
belkin makes a hub (http://www.belkin.com/us/p/P-F4U055/) but the display port doesn't double up as you'd expect unless they are thunderbolt (i believe - check other threads)...

What are your top 3 tasks in Creator? We'll document them...

The Creator Content Team is looking to document the most popular tasks you do (or want to do) in Creator in a quick, easy, accessible way...step-by-step instructions with screen shots. Let us know, and we'll start working on it, now.
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I prefer a worked example which demonstrates how to submit a multi page form which updates multiple tables in a database.
At the end of every page there will be a [b]Continue button to load the next page. At the top of every page you should state how many pages are there in this form submition process and what are they about and what is the current page.
The database update should only be done after the last page of the form is submitted.
This is really a very common task (possibly the most common task). Giving an example on this you can show how efficiently and easily this can be done by JSC. We also can make the most of the JSC.
Thank you very much.

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