What is future of BSP ? .........

Hi expert,
Can any one tell exactly that what is future of BSP ? Currently in which solution's of SAP it is being used . Some people says that it is outdated technology and it will be replace by WD ABAP or WD JAVA.
Is it True ?
Thanks,
Madhu Sudan Bhoyar

Hi,
this topic has been discusted several times.
BSP and WebDynpro can live together very good. There are some things, that are not possible in WebDynpro.
- BSP can be stateless
- BSP can use all possibilities of the web like Javascript
- You have a request - response cycle controled by the developer
- Pure HTML possible
To make clear: WebDynpro is a great and has lots of possibilities, that BSP hasn't. But depending on the project it could be more useful to use BSP.
Best regards
Renald

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