What is the significance of Party and Service without Party in ID? Help!

Hi Experts,
I often get confused with the Party and Service without Party in Integration directory. What is the difference between these two? When to use Party and When to use Service without party?
Kindly help!
Thanks
Gopal

Hi,
you need to use a party when you want to change some header fields
of your XI message (when communicating in B2B scenarios for example)
with party you can also use IDOC partner profiles other then LS
(like LI, VN)
but in most cases in A2A scenarios you never use the party object
Regards,
michal
<a href="/people/michal.krawczyk2/blog/2005/06/28/xipi-faq-frequently-asked-questions">XI / PI FAQ - Frequently Asked Questions</a>

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1.we go for service without party when we are having A2A communication.
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Hi Shirin,
For 3rd party sysytems u can directly configure in ID under bussiness service
we will choose service without party when we are having A2A communication.
A2A means application to application communication, it is used when two systems in same landscape try to communicate with each other. Systems in same landscape means both the systems are belongs to same organization or a company.
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we will choose service withparty when we are having B2B communication
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communication party (party for short) represents a larger unit, which is involved in a collaborative process. Using a communication party, you generally address a company within a cross-company process.That means we use party only when we r using B2B communcation.for example communication of two diffrent organization who r having different landscape.
The matter of Party comes only when there are number of partners included in the environment. Thats usually happens in B2B systems. The services without party usually happens in normal A2A systems; were normal applications handle the message processing between systems and no multiple partners are interested in same data that are been handled.
/people/michal.krawczyk2/blog/2005/03/29/xi-error--unable-to-convert-the-sender-service-to-an-ale-logical-system
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it, A business system is something that physicallu exists. generally for R/3 applications
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Business Service : When we don't have all the technical details then we use the business
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In ID objects tab in Business service is there, there right click and create the new business service, and fill the details like interface,...
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