What's annoying about Events, Keyword Collections & Move to trash

Today I was given a project to edit where the Event was already created, the media was optimized, keywords added and keyword collections created to split the media into folders. All I had to do was to sync the 2x cam's to separately recorded audio, and begin grabbing sound bites.
Nothing unusual so far....
To start my syncing, I began by finding all the clips from CAM-A and added the keyword SYNC 1 (CAM-A). I also added the separately recorded audio file within this keyword collection. Clicking on the SYNC 1 (CAM-A) keyword collection icon, I highlighted all the clips, right-clicked and chose Syncronize Clips.
This is what I find annoying: When I choose Syncronize Clips, The synchronized compound clip doesn't automatically appear in my SYNC 1 (CAM-A) keyword collection folder, instead I need to click on the event and add the keyword for it to appeare in that keyword collection. Wouldn't one think that if I chose to create a Syncronized Clip in that keyword collection that FCPX knows thats where I want it to appear...!
Anyway so in this particular case not all the clips synced, so what I then did was chose the un-synced clip + the audio clip and synced them alone. As i synced these clip separatley, what I was doing was moving the already synced clip to the trash, totally forgetting that these were also being deleted from my main event folder. Boy was I "P***'S'd"
Again what I found annoying: if you move a clip to the trash in a keyword collection, you actually delete that from the event too. Persionally I'd like to see an option so that you can righ-click and delete a keyword rather than having to twirl down the triangle, double clicking the keywords to activate the keyword editor, which you then have to select the keyword and hit delete to remove it out of that keyword collection.
If for arguments sake a clip wouldn't sync, what I then did was find a small snippet of the same audio. I would make a range selection and add a keyword to both the clip and the audio file.
What I also found annoying: when you open the Syncronized Compound Clip, your unable to stretch the clip to the left, instead I needed to use my "P" tool to move the clip to the right, which then gave me room to streatch the clip to the left.
Sorry I just had to get that out of my system....

andynick wrote:
Yes - and I'm another who loves FCP X . . .
(but doesn't it drive you round the BEND somitimes)?
Absolutely Andy.... I won't go into what does and doesn't drive me mad, but your absolutely right, at times I have a smile from ear to ear, and other times I'm left scratching my head and spending valuable time trying to work out a workaround or workflow.
andynick wrote:
I think Apple's recommendation of 4GB RAM is a joke.
True... I spent a day with a colleague editing side by side. He has a 17" MacBook Pro Quad 2.3Ghz with 4GB RAM, and I run on a 17" MacBook Pro Quad 2.3Ghz with 8GB RAM. You wouldn't believe the difference an extra 4GB's of RAM can make, I can only imagine how your system will run on 16GB
BenB wrote:
You can right-click a clip to remove keywords, but the only option as present it to remove all keywords at once (Cntr+0). Cmd+K to remove one keyword when you have multiple keywords seems pretty dang easy to me. If you had more than one Keyword, what would the option in a menu be? It could make for a very long menu, it'd have to be a dynamic menu, it'd get too convoluted. So, Contrl+0 or Cmd+K seems pretty easy and efficient to me.
Ben it was only a suggestion…! Anyway It's probably best we rest this here, it's clear we have different opinions on this one
BenB wrote:
As for workflow, no, FCP X is a totally different workflow than any other NLE, period. You can't compare. I've been training editors for years who have lots of experience, are from cable networks, and they still walk away faster, more efficient editors. Thus, I have to say, how long you've been editing, and how many different systems you've use, really doesn't have any bearig when learning something, especially as radicallly different as FCP X.
Who's comparing?
The only reason I mentioned what software I've edited on in the past, was so you can see my ability to adapt. FCP X isn't that different! you still work with media, you still need to manage, organise or name your bins, or in FCPX's terms keyword collections. The list could go on....
Anyway I'm not here to boast about my experience or the software I've edited on, instead I posted a "personal" view in what I thought would make a nice enhancement, which at the end of the day is just my view…
BenB wrote:
I've worked with Larry Jordan a couple of times. Good tips and tricks stuff. But the Apple authorized training materials are best for learning from the begining and getting a good handle on things in general. Nobody (and I mean nobody) knows FCP X like Steve Martin.
I respect your advise and have just purchased, and am now downloading Steve Martin's tutorials.
You've got me curious... I'd like to see how different Steve Martin explains FCP X as opposed to Larry Jordan's videos.
I'll report back on this one as soon as I've viewed them all
BenB wrote:
Fill out the feedback page, as I have done a kazillion times already, and let Apple know we need these new Sync'ed Compounds to retian the keywords of their originals. It would make for a faster workflow. Seems it'd be easy for them to program in.
Already done and let's hope so.....
BenB wrote:
Here's what I do when sync'ing a bunch of stuff. I create a Smart Collection that is just a Text parameter that "includes" the word "Compound". Then when I make the new Compound clips, I can get right to them. It's a workaround.
10 points for this tip Ben....
This is a perfect example where someone (me) expresses his thoughts, then someone (you) finding a solution.
Love your work mate....!
BenB wrote:
I don't do multiple syncs at once, because of bugs, that's all.
Sorry to sound like a broken record, but an explanation as to why and what bugs would be wonderful.
Ben, again please don'y take my response as being aggressive. I believe we all come to these discussion forums because some of us have questions, others idea's, and most importantly the ones that give us solutions. That's what makes this community a happy place to come too

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