What's best.. ATI 5770 or 5870 1GB Graphics Card?

I have to buy a new Mac Pro, so I'm looking at the 3.2 Quad-Core with 16GB ram. I run large image files with many layers in CS5 extended and will be moving up to CS6 extended. All of my image management is through LR4 as well as several plug-ins. So is the ATI 5870 1GB card worth the extra $150 upgrade price over the ATI 5770. I'd prefer to wait for the new Mac Pro models coming in 2013 but I do have to make a living. I've been using the ATI 5770/1GB with no issues on a 2.66 MacPro running Mountain Lion. I'm running dual NEC 27" PA271w displays.

The upgrade price I see in the Apple Store is $200 for the 5870.
Personally, I'd skip the 5870 GPU upgrade (which I understand runs loud and hot and is a power hog) and grab the 6 core upgrade for $500 instead. The RAM for the quad core 3.2GHz runs at 1066MHz and the 6 core 3.33GHz RAM runs at 1333MHz.
So for a $300 difference (vs quad core with 5870) you pick up 50% more processing power across the board.
Check out www.barefeats.com for speed comparisons like this one http://www.barefeats.com/pscs6.html
PSCS6 features the Mercury Graphics Engine (MGE) which takes great advantage of GPU, but only certain filters are accelerated: http://forums.adobe.com/message/4289204#4289204
For my money a MacPro that's faster on all fronts is the better deal. You can swap out the GPU later, but the CPU is definitely best ordered up-front. I have the 2010 6 core 3.33 Westmere and combined with an SSD runing just the OS and APPs, it really sings. Plus the price has come down quite a lot on the 6-core option with the 2012 models (used to cost additional $1200 I think).
Here's Digilloyd's take on MacPro configuration http://macperformanceguide.com/Mac-HowToConfigureAMacPro.html NOTE that he suggests 24-48GB of RAM for intensive Photoshop work.
Here's another BareFeats test (from Sept 2010, but then these are old GPUs) http://www.barefeats.com/wst10g7.html
and you'll see that while the 5870 beats the 5770 for some things (but ties on many), the 6-core 3.33GHz Westmere beats everything else on the list -- and is roughly twice the overall speed of your 2.66GHz quad-core from 2006 even with a 5770.
Hope that helps!

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Using a 2GB Graphics card will mean you will have more dedicated memory for task related to rendering images, while allowing Photoshop still use system memory for everything else. For example if you have allocated in your preferences for Photoshop to use 4GB of your 6GB of system memory and you also havea 2GB Graphics Card, then the total resources Photoshop has available for all task is 6GB, 2GB dedciated specifically for rendering, animating, zooming shading, 3D graphics, rendering filters and so on.
This also means you have more multi-tasking power. Most people will tell you that Photoshop is CPU heavy and not GPU heavy so that more RAM and better Processors are more important than your video card. However what they are neglecting is that any resources you free up are to your advantage, so any CPU and RAM that the GPU free's up means its more for you to use elsewhere. Make sense? The more overall power you have at any level means that resources can be spared accordingly.

Please recommend a suitable 1GB Graphics card.

Hi ,
I have a HP-Pavilion Desktop (P6040IN)
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Check the manufacturer's web site and forum for the games that you are playing for a video card recommendation. The video cards that you are looking at are low performance video cards for games.
Review the NVIDIA performance specifications. Look at the memory bandwidth specifications and the DirectX level support.
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What temperatures are acceptable for the CPU and Graphics card?

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Did not see this in the user manual but could have missed it.

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You are correct. An E series.
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Like the bulk of the X series...
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The L series seems to all be 50 Watts.
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I'm planning to swap my old Mac Pro (2006 2 x 2.66 GHz Dual-Core Intel Xeon, 4 GB RAM, NVIDIA GeForce 7300 GT) for a 2010 Mac Pro model, because I need more speed for video (FCP 7, Color, Magic Bullet Looks) and photo (Lightroom 3, Photo Shop CS5) work. I'm thinking of the 6-Core (3.33 GHz) Mac Pro with 24 GB RAM and ATI Radeon 5870. I read a first review which said, that the 5870 is VERY noisy (fans), and now I'm little afraid. Is the 5870 really that loud, and will it bring clear advantages over the ATI 5770 (I dont't do 3D work yet)? I'd really appreciate your help. Thanks in advance.

Our showroom unit arrived 8/24.
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I've got the 6-core w/5870 on order, so don't yet have it myself. I've been looking into this issue also, as noise is a concern.
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I don't want to sound like a jerk but don't want people to wast their money because
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> So you'll need to explain the above comment because I'm not clear about
what you're stating, or at least the part about OpenGl not being
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I said that "OpenGL is not very relevant at all to After Effects", not that it isn't relevant at all.
To use a car metaphor: If I wanted a car that went fast, I'd focus on horsepower, low-weight materials, and good tires first. Then, if I'd maxed all of those factors and still had some money left over, I might buy a spoiler for the back. But that wouldn't be my first area of focus.
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Having 7300GT is worthless, unless to use 3rd monitor.
Only Windows has better Nvidia graphics and drivers for games. And if you run Windows, you can use PC card and leave the 7300GT for OS X alone.
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HELP!
OK, So I've just ordered my new Mac Pro for work and here's the spec:
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Two 2.66GHz 6-Core Intel Xeon
Memory: 12GB (6X2GB)
2 x ATI Radeon HD 5770 1GB Graphic cards
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JOINT VENTURE MEMBERSHIP
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1 x ATI Radeon HD 5870
or the
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From Apple's page: http://www.apple.com/macpro/features/graphics.html
Give your graphics a turbo boost.
For even more graphics horsepower, upgrade to the ATI Radeon HD 5870 with 1GB of GDDR5 memory. An ideal choice for the most demanding applications, this card features a wider memory bus and higher-performance GPU, resulting in up to 70 percent faster performance compared with the ATI Radeon HD 5770.
You need the 5870 it is 70% faster, but more importantly you do not want the Apple monitors for critical photography applications.
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The difference between a wide gamut and a regular (Apple) monitor is startling. You will save time and money due to the accuracy of the color causing fewer reprints. You literally will see colors you have never seen before on a screen.
At the very least, buy one of the wide gamut for adjustment work, and the lesser monitor for the non-critical pallette purposes.
Also, I would not buy either the RAM or SSDs from Apple, as there are better and cheaper alternatives out there. The 480GB Mercury EXTREME™ Pro 6G SSD are less money, double as fast as Apple and have a 5 year warranty.
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Is it better to have two ati radeon HD 5770 or one ATI radeon HD 5870 for video editing?

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ATI Radeon HD 5870 1GB [Add $200.00]
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Ya in my research of this question, I came across this whole issue of Mac not being able to use CrossFire. I didn't thorugly investigate what this CrossFire issue was, but if it makes more sense with the singel 5870 rather than the 2 5770 then thats helpful to know.
If the Mac can't make the most out of two 5770 because it doesn't make use of CrossFire, it seems silly that Apple even bothers to offer it as an option. Plus its cheaper with the singel 5870 versus two 5770. Unless you really needed to run several monitors.
Thanks. This satisfies a long curiousity I have had.

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