What Software to monitor temps with P965 Neo-F

I downloaded Dual Core Center, but it says that it "does not support". I guess it doesnt work with the P965 Neo-F.
So, what software can I use to monitor my temps? Speedfan doesnt work either.
I do have a E6300, so it is a Dual Core system.

Coretemp
http://www.thecoolest.zerobrains.com/CoreTemp/
Reads the temperature directly from the cpu's built in sensor and should be very accurate...

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Hi, i actually have a problem with cpu and memory.
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Quote from: pszemia on 23-May-07, 01:22:26
i want to overclock the cpu without overclocking the ram, is that possible with this motherboard??
for example: 333Mhz cpu and stay at 800Mhz for ram
the cpuz is reading actually 379 (i cant remember the exact value, but is around this) for ram when i have set to manual 667 why this happen??? (the cpu is at 300)
The memory speeds you can select are not absolute but FSB:RAM dividers
533Mhz equals the 1:1 divider
667Mhz equals the 4:5 divider
800Mhz equals the 2:3 divider
This means if you select 667Mhz RAM in bios you don't force 667Mhz but you select a FSB:RAM ratio of 4:5
At stock FSB of 266Mhz this makes : 266 / 4 = 66.5 * 5 = 333 Mhz (666 Mhz DDR) wich is the 667Mhz you select.
However, if you change FSB the RAM speed changes along with it.
So, for your 300Mhz this makes : 300 / 4 = 75 * 5 = 375 Mhz wich is +- the 379 Mhz cpuZ reads.
If you want 333Mhz fsb and ram @ 800 select 667Mhz RAM in bios and set FSB to 333Mhz, also enter RAM timings manually.
This will result in 333 / 4 = 83.25 * 5 = 416 Mhz (832 Mhz DDR) for ram - The gskill should be able to take this mild 32Mhz overclock.
The board might not make it to 333Mhz tho - It's a budget board wich overclocks poorly.

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Quote from: StryK4er on 03-December-06, 20:31:04
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Quote from: pszemia on 23-May-07, 01:22:26
i want to overclock the cpu without overclocking the ram, is that possible with this motherboard??
for example: 333Mhz cpu and stay at 800Mhz for ram
the cpuz is reading actually 379 (i cant remember the exact value, but is around this) for ram when i have set to manual 667 why this happen??? (the cpu is at 300)
The memory speeds you can select are not absolute but FSB:RAM dividers
533Mhz equals the 1:1 divider
667Mhz equals the 4:5 divider
800Mhz equals the 2:3 divider
This means if you select 667Mhz RAM in bios you don't force 667Mhz but you select a FSB:RAM ratio of 4:5
At stock FSB of 266Mhz this makes : 266 / 4 = 66.5 * 5 = 333 Mhz (666 Mhz DDR) wich is the 667Mhz you select.
However, if you change FSB the RAM speed changes along with it.
So, for your 300Mhz this makes : 300 / 4 = 75 * 5 = 375 Mhz wich is +- the 379 Mhz cpuZ reads.
If you want 333Mhz fsb and ram @ 800 select 667Mhz RAM in bios and set FSB to 333Mhz, also enter RAM timings manually.
This will result in 333 / 4 = 83.25 * 5 = 416 Mhz (832 Mhz DDR) for ram - The gskill should be able to take this mild 32Mhz overclock.
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25.1.2007: Added screen shots from my settings. (10th post on the thread).
Okay. Seems many people have problems setting up speedFan with p965 neo. I agree the setup is bit cryptic, but I got it working with the help & HOWTO guide included with speedfan. If this didn't help you, try to follow these instructions.
My setup. (tested to work with bios 1.6B9 , 1.6B13 (D) 1.6B15 (F) ) With P965 NEO-f
I am using SpeedFan 4.32 Beta 8. (to download beta, you need to register to speedfan site b4 you can download it, so of you go to http://www.almico.com/speedfan.php )
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When you start speedfan you will see some temperatures and maybe one fanspeed that will probably say 0 RPM. Don't care about the speed reading yet.
What we are interested are core1 and core2 temp.
Press configure button and go to temperatures tab.
** TEMPERATURES
There are temperatures core1 and core2. Open first core1.
There you should see like speed1, speed2, speed3. For my rig, speed2 was actually CPUfan, so with 965neo it should be that, for platinum ppl you just have to figure it out by testing.
Open CORE1 and untag all other speeds except speed2. This means that CORE1 temperature is related to SPEED2 of some fan (cpufan).
Now Do the same to CORE2, as it is cooled by same fan.
Now before you exit temperatures, choose core2, set desired and warning temp. SpeedFan tries to keep "desired temp". Mine is 53C, meaning if core1 or core2 goes above, fanspeed is increased, if both are below, fan will be slowed.
!!! REMEMBER to set the FAN to cool both cores, so that if 1 threaded program is causing lot of CPU load your cooler reacts to it !!!
** FANS
Go to FANs tab. Unselect all but SPEED2 (you can also rename it). This means only speed is shown for this fan. (I only use 1 fan that gives readings).
** SPEEDS
Go to SPEEDS tab. And select SPEED2. Here you can set maximum and minimum power of your fans. Mine are 0% and 100%. With my mobo and intel stock cooler 0% is about 1050RPM. Tho you should check that the fan does not stop with this setting but not yet.
** ADVANCED
Go to Advanced tab. From selection menu select "WINBOND blahblah".
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FAN2 divisor, set this to 8. (now you should be able to see fanspeed, but dont exit the menu yet).
PWM2 mode is something like "thermal cruise" meaning its mobo controlled, change setting to "manual PWM control" and check box "remember it" from very down of the settings window.
Now press OK.
Now from speedFan main menu, you select (below settings button) automatic fanspeed.
So now speedFan should be controlling your fanSpeed and you should see also your fan rpm (thx to blueKnight giving hint about the fan divider).
If you cant see your fanSpeed I dunno, but even if you dont see it, if you have done the setup on correct fan, speedFan should now control the cpu fan power % depending on Core temps.
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If you want to be bit more hifi about your cpu.
Google for rightmark cpu clock utility and install it. Using performance on demand settings you can setup your CPU to change speeds and voltages depending on cpu utilization (i know the cpu does this automatically).
But also you can use thermal throttling also as "idle throttling". So I enabled throttling at idle, Im using throttle levels 12.5%, 25%, 50%, 75% and 100%. This number means that how many of CPU cycles are used for computation and how much is used for idling with trhottle. So PLS remember to choose 100% if you want to use all the CPU power u got.
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Clock utility can set my cpu speed & throttle with my laptop, but it is conflicting with keyboard irq or something, because some times my keyb lose a key hit or two.
Hope this helps you speedFan fans. I'm going back to water cooling when I get my SCSI drives silenced.
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Now with some pictures from my settings.
First before you setup, you can go to speeds tab to rename speed2 to eg. CPUFAN, tho this does not have any other effect than its easier to see from other speeds.
In temeperature tabs, I have chosen core1 and core2 temperatures to be those temperatures that speed2 can affect. As you can see, also core1 (and core2) have "desired" and "warning" temperatures set.
http://koti.mbnet.fi/~prc/temp/Speedfan_temp.JPG
In Fans tab, I have unmarked all other fans than CPUFAN (before renaming speed2). I dont want to monitor other fans, also cpufan is onlyone that I can get RPM values.
http://koti.mbnet.fi/~prc/temp/speedfan_fans.JPG
From speeds tab I have set that CPUFAN minimum speed is 25% and maximum is 100%. Before I had 0-100%, but I changed min value to 25% to give chipset a bit more airflow, as it is with passive cooling.
http://koti.mbnet.fi/~prc/temp/speedfan_speeds.JPG
In advanced tab I have changed speed2 divisor to 8, and PWM2 mode to manual PWM control. This was originally something like thermal cruise or so, meaning it is BIOS controlled.
http://koti.mbnet.fi/~prc/temp/speedfan_advanced.JPG
Here is picture of speedfan running so that there is not much CPU load. (ok the meter says over 40%, must be some of my over 20 applications running atm, but generally load stays under 10%).
http://koti.mbnet.fi/~prc/temp/speedfan_noload.JPG
And here is picture of speedFan under load, running pifast on both cores.
http://koti.mbnet.fi/~prc/temp/speedfan_load.JPG
And here is one picture to show, that the cpu fan really reacts also to manual controls.
http://koti.mbnet.fi/~prc/temp/speedfan_manual.JPG
To note that if I enter speed 0% for my cpufan, it will still run about 1000 RPM, so motherboard won't stop it really. Of course fan minimum and maximum RPM depends on the fan. Some fans run over 5000 RPM (FYI).
My speedfan is version 4.32 beta 8. From BIOS I have enabled that smartfan or whatever setting, with target temperature around 50C. But speedfan will overrule this setting when it is set to "manual PWM control". I have left it enabled, so that my BIOS can control the fanspeed (and not run on 100% all the time) if for some reason I don't startup speedfan or it gets broken.
GL with setupping, hope you got it working, if not try to be bit more specific and lets see if theres something we can do for it.
Ah to note, to control fan you must use fan that uses the 4pin CPUfan connector, I'm not sure if the fan needs to have some chip on itself to be actually controlled. In amd boards, where fan connector is 3pin connector, you can control all fans. (if the cpufan is controllable). Dunno about Intel boards, this is first intel board for me, after my old P3.

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Recently I changed the HDD (Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 320Gb SATA2) to one of the Intel ICH8 SATA ports. It used to be connected to the JMicron SATA port and detected as a SCSI drive. Now it is detected as a IDE drive by both the BIOS and Windows xp device manager. There are 3 x Primary IDE Channel and 3 x Secondary IDE Channel in the device manager even though there's only 1 SATA2 HDD and 1 optical IDE drive connected. The HDD runs in UDMA5 mode but the DVD is still in PIO mode. Now the HDD S.M.A.R.T function works (it didn't work before when connected to JMicron SATA) so I would like to keep it this way.
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Quote from: Stink-Foot on 05-January-07, 19:35:21
I can't run my IDE DVD-RW drive in DMA mode, it seems to be a common problem with P965 NEO mainboard. At the moment I can live with it, I've tried different JMicron drivers without success. I use BIOS v1.5, maybe I should try the new v1.6.
Yes you need bios 1.6 to fix the problem.

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