WhenPrinting- Does Photoshop or Epson Determine out of gamut ?

We, (our photo club), have had a discussion going. When finished with your photo using CS2, if you go to Gamut warning and it is out of Gamut, you go to CMYK and back to RGB to get rid of the out of Gamut warning. This removes the out of Gamut colors. We printed 2 pictures using a small portion of the picture blown up 200%. We could not find any difference if we did the above fix or if we just printed the out of Gamut picture on a Epson 1280. Now the question comes up- does Adobe or Epson really drive the printer? Or are we spinning our wheels doing the Gamut correction ?? I may need a Adobe or Epson Techie...?? Anyone know ?
Thanks
Ron Stein

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Hi Folks, well I think it is about time to for me to say this. After weeks and weeks of head scratching and emails and experiments on my 3800 I have to conclude that photoshop (in my case CS3) has a huge flaw - it does not truly represent colour that is either in gamut or out of gamut. The truth is that ordinary photographs do indeed hide subtle colour inaccurracies that when seen as a single tint on a greyscale image really show up, and photoshop is incapable of dealing with what is in gamut and what is out of gamut with regards to colour mixes on fill layers. Untill I started to tone my images and combine colour fill layers on varying opacities and blend modes I NEVER had any problems with colour management (just tweaks here and there) but when I went into toning I discovered that Photoshop simply fails miserably to tell you what it is able to print within a colour space and what is outside that colour space. Oh and by the way soft proofing? Overated nonsense that is a joke and three quarters.
The only accuracy I got with regards to Photoshop and toning was when I placed these same images into the sRGB space, at that point I was shocked to see Not Perfection by any means, but certainly much more closer to the screen image that was, by the way, in the Adobe RGB1998 workspace. So I tested many of my images that were in Adobe 1998 RGB on the screen and viewed them under the ASSIGN PROFILE = sRGB space and discovered a huge shift closer to the print out - not by any means accurate but very close indeed. This, amongst many other experiments, proves that Adobe have failed here in a basic software operation, rendering out of gamut colour. As I said before - never any problems with ordinary colour photography, and this point is exceedingly important.
Colour fill layers are decpetive and adobe needs to address this - I know of nobody that uses colour fill layers to achieve what I have done and all toning that I have ever read about has been a sort of a flick of a few switches OR using the duotones and tritones menu (which I find lacking in creativity). The colour fill layer dialoh=gue box does not render what is truly out of gamut, and what is more it is not even as though my choices of colours were anywhere near the borders of out of gamut.
Conclusion? Dissappointed in the overall rendering of accuracy of colour gamut with photoshop.

Hallo Rick, how are things? Well to be honest I am so really fed up with this whole situation and have wasted three weeks trying to figure it out. I am tired of repeating myself. I have just, at the suggestion of another person, soft-proofed my adobe rgb 1998 toned image in the sRGB space with colour nubers set to "preserve bumbers" in the soft proof dialogue box. I know see perfect matches between my print out and screen image. NOW, this is important, I have NEVER had this problem with normal colour photographs. So it is not all to do with colour management. And as Tim on photo.net said:'
Chris, I'ld like to add some info I didn't mention in that thread that may explain a bit about Photoshop's Soft Proofing and out of gamut warning tools and their intended use. According to many discussions over at Adobe forums I've participated in on your issue, Soft Proofing is meant for photographs only.
A duotone or toned image as you call it is considered a graphic effect. In fact the old way of getting this look was performed by graphic artists and prepress technicians before digital made it a click and print affair. I used to be both a graphic artist and prepress technician and the process for getting a toned image printed on a commercial press before inkjets came around involved cutting light blocking overlay film knockouts for each Pantone ink that was to be mixed using darkroom exposure tricks performed by the prepress technician.
Color gamuts weren't an issue because the inks were custom mixed on press. Can't do that on an inkjet. This still can be done in Abobe's InDesign by picking spot colors and the separations are done through a RIP (Raster Image Processor) where the 1's and 0's get turned into those light blocking knockouts for burning plates used for printing to a commercial CMYK press.
Another aspect about why Gamut Warning and Soft Proofing is engineered for photographs is because photographs have by their nature a dithered pattern made up of millions of alternatiing pixel colors that act as a color slice and dice mincer that aids a printer that prints with a dithered pattern in smoothing out color TRANSITIONS it can't reproduce.
There's a lot of "faking it" going on utilizing this dither smoothing in an attempt to fool the eye into accepting the color the printer chooses in relationship with the rest of the surrounding colors in the image. This is why there are rendering intents named Relative, Saturation, Perceptual and Absolute in Soft Proofing dialog box and in Photoshop's printer dialog box.
You should try them out and see what happens with your toned images, but outcome can't be guaranteed because toned images don't possess enough alternating color dithering as in a photo to allow the printer to provide smooth color transitions. You'll notice their is a check box for "Dithering" in the Convert To dialog box. This isn't enough for toned images especially if choosing a color fill that doesn't allow the printer to "fake" this look. These printers including yours which uses a gamut limiting pigment inks for longevity over larger gamut dye based only have cyan, magenta, yellow and black to produce transitions in intense colors. That's not much to work with.
And remember saturation is tied to luminance levels. The printer must reproduce the luminance level as well as hue and saturation using just two inks, in your case magenta and yellow, to get that orange brown. The only way to get a darker and lighter version is to add black because adding cyan, a mid density ink, will make it a dull brown. This is just plain physics learned in any paint mixing class.
Pre-visualization tools such as Soft Proofing are primarily meant for allowing the remapping of intense colors like in flowers to allow editing for an alternative hue and saturation level that will allow the printer to "fake it" more precisely.
So basically photoshop might be the problem. But, if you seriously think that I ma at fault then I certainly will give it one last try because I really am sick of this ridiculous situation. I will follow your instructions to the letter and will go through it for the 10th time.
Kindest regards
Chris.

Why does Photoshop CS produce an "Out Of Memory" Error

Hello,
I am a Network Administrator for a newspaper. One of my users is an ad designer. At different times she will use Adobe Photoshop CS to open a PDF file. For example, she will get an ad from an advertiser. The ad is a quarter page ad. It is a PDF and it ranges in size from approx 757Kb to 777Kb. When opening it up she has it open the PDF in Photoshop as a CMYK document with a resolution of 300dpi. Then at this time the progress bar is moving accross the screen,you think it is going to work, but it pops up a error box that states it is "Out Of Memory".
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160GB Seagate SATA HDD (registering 38 degrees Celsius)
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Why would this happen???
Is there a way to optimize Adobe Creative Suite so that it opens/runs/processes faster???
Thanks,
Bobby Howerton

Ok, well... I hope this is not confusing....
Does this happen with other or all pdf files ?
The user states that she works with PDFs the most and so it does happen with all PDFs (it happens with all PDFs but not necessarly everytime a PDF is opened). Not that much with other files (or at least she doesn't notice it as much...because she normally works with PDFs the most).
Does this happen with jpeg and tiff files ?
It might happen with these file types, but she doesn't notice it as much...because she normally works with PDFs the most.
Is the error message a Photoshop or Windows message ? I can't tell until I see there error again, but I will find out.
What are the steps she uses to try and open the document ? We can't make the problem duplicate again because it happens randomly (it happens with all PDFs but not necessarly everytime a PDF is opened). I have instructed the user to right down the steps she took as soon as the error occurs.
What does the task manager say about other processes and memory use and (possibly) other users ?
Other processes: I can't tell until I see there error again, but I will find out.
Memory use: I can't tell until I see there error again, but I will find out.
Other users: Yes, this is happening to atleast 2 other ad designers (for a total of: 3). They say they don't notice it as much because they seldom work with PDFs, but that it has and it does happen to them.
Is this a networked machine ?
Yes, it is a networked machine.
Thanks,
Bobby

CS5.1 does not recognize my Epson R2880 out of the blue.

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photoshop CS5.1 does not recognize Epson R2880 printer--won't print
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I was printing all morning and suddenly I get an error message and CS5.1 will not recognize my printer. The printer is chosen, and is the only printer on my computer, within system preferences under printer/fax.
I have reinstalled both the printer and the software with no fixes made. I cannot print from Photoshop CS5.1. What happened. Out of the blue. I have used these two products for three years with no problems and now this

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Have you checked the ink cartridges and made sure the nozzles are clear? Are you able to print from outside of iPhoto with the correct color?
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This procedure is a diagnostic test. It’s unlikely to solve your problem. Don’t be disappointed when you find that nothing has changed after you complete it.
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LarryM01 wrote:
...save it as sRGB?
Would you care to comment on why there is an advantage to do this little extra job?
Perhaps you don't want to hear from me, I don't know.
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From the specifications I have read, your Pentax camera can shoot in the Adobe DNG raw format. There should be no problem with Pentax DSLRs.
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I did look at the plug-in page quickly. I noticed the free ones and the pay ones.
From using producing programs, some photo editing and some video editing programs: I'd rather use what is there and what is inside first. Then look at the extras. I am realizing how deep this can get. But if I bought PS or CS 5 or whatever: I would want to learn.
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