Where is the Zen 60

Hey all, I was wondering where on the Creative website prices are for the Zen Vision:M 60gb version? And if it's available anywhere else, what a good price on it would be? I know the recent release of the new 80gb IPod has it set at 349.99. Is Creative going to be able to match or beat this price? I would hope so, if they want to stay competiti've with Apple, seeing as how 80gb is a lot of storage, and having 60gb cost more than 80gb seems like a step in the wrong direction.

thereapersson wrote:
That's weird, because I can't find it anywhere on the creative website for sale. It has it featured, but when I go to the shop, all that's available for sale is the 30gb version. It's not even on their Ebay shop either - just the 30gb.
I think Creative is just detaining the customers. However the products are still better then ipods. I was waiting for 60 gb vision versions but I don't think they will release it soon and i will possibly buy the 30 gb version.

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Where is the zen-eee repository?

Hi,
the Wiki mentions [1] the zen-eee repository as a source for EeePC specific packages, but apparently the repository is off-line? Does anyone know what happened to it?
Peter
[1] http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Asu … he_EEE_901

peti wrote:Well, I guess what I'm really interested in is whether the packages found in that repository are even still necessary in the light of the recent kernel update. I haven't performed the update yet, so I don't really know, but I reckon that Linux 2.6.28 might have improved Eee PC support, thus obsoleting stuff from the zen-eee repository, no?
2.6.28 has a better EEE support than the 2.6.27 kernel, but still it lacks stuff that is in the zeneee -kernel. For example the hotkeys don't work with the generic arch kernel.
the zen-eee kernel maintainer (robertek) hasn't been seen in a long time on these forums, might be busy with other things (such as life ;D).

Where is the Zen Touch firmwa

Zen Touch users are still here you know...

LeecherX wrote:
Heh, I think he was referring to a new firmware, the one that has been promised to us from Creative for the past 3 months. (With MTP support, additional features, etc)
Yep im wondering that too. Its starting to make me feel like us Zen Touch users are being left in the dust as it seems creative has their priority with the micro and not the touch. They even show this with the little images like this all over the creative site but not one for the touch
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Where is the reset button on the zen micr

My zen is stuck on the creative logo screen and the clean up isn't working, so I think I need to restart it. I just can't find the reset hole on it. Does anyone know where it is?

You can solve most problems with Zen Micro by resetting it.
- Ensure that the Zen Micro is turned off. - Remove the battery. - Move and hold the Power button to the Power On position and re-insert the battery to the Zen Micro. - Hold the Power button until the Rescue mode appears.
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Where are all the Zen Vision

I'm looking to purchase a 2nd Zen Vision M. (The first one is dead, all I get is a Hardware Problem Icon). However I noticed two things.
. They seem to be $30 cheaper than they were in January.
2. Everywhere seems to be sold out.
Does anyone know a place to get one in San Diego, CA?
Finding one online is also a chanllenge, though I did find some at Walmart.com But are they any other places with them in stock, preferably a white one?
Why have the Zen Vision Ms been so limited everywhere?

I would like to see this answer too as I have ordered one for $280 on Amazon in white about a week and a half ago and it has not shipped yet. This isn't too long of a wait but on the page for the white creative vision m's, people have said they have been waiting for nearly a month. I think black is in supply on Amazon but I wanted a white one but if they are going to take months to be back in supply, I'll just get a black one. Amazon is also the only place where I have seen the black one in stock, all my local electronic stores are out of supply.

Where is the Firmware for the Zen Sleek Ph

Hi,
I've been having problems with my Zen Sleek Photo ever since I bought it 2 months ago. Every so often it would freeze on boot-up, so I would have to reset it with a pin to get it to start up. This morning it started going really haywire so I decided to reload the firmware - of course, my disks are at home and when I looked on the creative site here at work, there was no sign of any firmware for the Zen Sleek Photo (it's almost like Creative don't realise this product exists!). Anyway, where can I download the latest firmware?

I think Creative should add the Sleek Photo to the player list in downloads and add the latest version there (I have version .0.0e). I ordered my player in December (for Christmas). There are a few issues that I have addressed in my "A few annoyances with Zen Sleek Photo 20GB (Request)" thread.
Sadly there has not yet been an update to fix the artist listings etc. as mentioned in my thread
I got in contact with another Creative Zen Sleek Photo user who also li'ves in Switzerland and has the same problems (tracks not been sorted correctly even with correct ID3 tags, which work in many many Windows applications).
By the way, sadly the Sleek Photo gets a load of dust under the screen too, unless you are very careful. I have been unable to remove most of the dust even using compressed air! I would rather not have to get it replaced because of this (unless Creative makes a slightly new casing model to prevent dust under screen) as I would probably end up paying rather a lot for postage (it's going indirectly through another company)
I hope there shall soon be a firmware update addressing these things,
Thanks for any response to this,
StephenRMessage Edited by StephenR on 03-07-20060:53 PM

Where else can I buy the zen touch FM wired remo

Hey,
Does anyone from the UK know if I can buy the creative FM wired remote for the zen touch anywhere else apart from the creative website? As it is currently out of stock and I wondered if I could get it cheaper somewhere else?
Thank you X

I answered your post in the other thread
http://forums.creative.com/creativel...ssage.id=24879

TEST IN PROGRESS! THE ZEN VS IPOD SO

My wife just brought an 4th gen 20gb Ipod ( I have the zen touch) and we will preform a taste test if you will on the both of them. We will download 4 genes of songs( r/b , house, rock, celtic) at the same bit rate(same songs) and will play them at the mid -high volume rang at different eq setting for each person blindly and we'll find out just which is better in sound tonight , or if there is really no difference to be heard. I'll Post the results before 0:30pm tonight. So keep watch.

Ok people we used 4 songs...()Enya's Carribean Blue(celtic vocal settings on "Acoustic" for the zen and "Acoustic" for the Ipod, both set to 28kdps,44khz volumes set 8 clicks for the highest level. Results in clarity = Zen touch clearly better ..my wife and I both knew which was better within 0 seconds of start up time on complete test cycle. The Ipod has good sound BUT it sounds like it trying to play under a small layer of water that drowns out the sound a LITTLE. I guess this is thanks to the 97 s/n ratio which some people say you can't hear with your human ear. I guess we have super ears then, because we did.
(2). 2nd test song ...r/b Mariah Carey "Close My Eyes"(using "pop" settings on the zen touch and "R/B"/and 2nd time with "pop" settings trying to be fair)to test the music-to-vocal sound ratio ( seeing if bass or instruments would drown out the vocal beauty ). Again the Clarity of the Zen touch won over again, clearly. It's bass was not as strong as the Ipod's but was clearer. The Ipod bass sounded like it was adding to the drowning sound that I mention above.
(3). 3rd test was Dieselboy jungle mix w/dj jerome,dj dara, and grooverider. We wanted to test which could handle HARDER bass without distortion. The Ipod was the winner on that test. It seemed the harder the bass demands were for the song, on the eq setting for "disco" for the zen ...the worse it got, basically too much( maybe placed on another setting it would have preformed better but I had to place it on the heaviest bass setting as I did with the Ipod to keep it fair). Where the Ipod was set on "Bass Boost" and still left some clarity in place.
(4). And Finally Rap. We used David Banner's "See About Ya". Both unit keep there orginall setting, even though we could have changed the Ipod's setting thanks to their many Eq setting. And both came back kinda equal except for the cleaner bass that the Ipod projected under high bass demanding setting and songs.
ZENT=2
Ipod=2
Bottom Line
***If you don't have both you wouldn't be disappointed in either one. Both by themselves are good sounding machines. It's only when you put them against each other will you ever notice a difference and that difference equals to clarity sound for Vocals for zen and Bass distortion handling for the Ipod(or basically higher volume handling). Hope this helps clear up any questions on the two units.

An extensive look at the Zen Vision:M for those considring buying one (plus my firmware wishli

 Well first, I want to say that this is the 0th mp3 player that I have owned. This is definitely the best and most powerful player I have ever owned. With that said, its not perfect either, hence the purpose of this review. As I did on this board with the Zen Micro, I write this review in hopes that Creative will listen. Hopefully, creative will read this and take it to heart.
SOUND QUALITY:
 This is what any music device should be about right? Nothing else matters if the sound quality stinks. I used to own Creative?s Zen Micro. The sound on it was great but the bass was lacking. The best sounding mp3 player I?ve ever owned was Iri'ver?s old H20. With its customizable SRS settings, it still stands out against all others I have encountered. If that Iri'ver was the best, I am happy to say that this little device is a very close second. Creative included a bass boost function, and paired with the customizable EQ settings, the sound is amazing. It knocks the micro out of the ballpark.
MENU NAVIGATION:
 The menu on this thing is very familiar to that of other Zen players, including the micro. That?s not a bad thing since the navigation system is the most popular among most mp3 players of this class. I used to own Phillip?s HDD 6330, and that player and the 5th generation iPod have something that the Vision:m lacks. I have all of my music specifically organized by genre. I would like to go into the genre folder, and select a song by title, not by artist, then title. On the 5G iPod, and the HDD6330, the first menu option when going into the genre folder in ?All Titles?. So, all you had to do was select genre / all titles and you had every song in your library from that genre. This player lacks that ability.
 I will give praise to Creative for its side alphabetical bar. This has made scrolling my library very much easier. This is a very innovati've feature to use. I also give them props for making the main menu customizable. If Creative will add that one thing, its menu system would be unmatched and close to perfection!!!
FEATURES:
 Creative has built a host of features in this thing as they do with a lot of their players. The FM radio is good and the voice recorder is good. Now lets get to the good stuff. The Vision:m actually lets you choose your own background. Not only that, but for the picture you do decide to use, its lets you edit its brightness and color tone. This feature definitely comes in handy. I selected a nice picture of me and my son at the town fair, and it was way to bright. The letters on the screen were hard to read no matter what theme I used. Upon selecting a picture to use as background, the player gives you the option to raise or lower its brightness and color tone. I lowered the brightness and changed the tone and now, the background looks great. Creative should have gone that extra mile and gave the player the ability randomly select a new background every day.
 Also, I am liking the content password feature that gives you the ability to hide video and picture folders. Basically, if I wanted to, I can create a folder on my Vision:m, put some porn in it (come on, that?s what this is really about), and on the player, set it the folder to ?protected?. On the players System settings, set the option to hide all protected folders to ?hide? and you are all set. To unhide the folders, go back into System Settings and select it. Upon selecting it, you will be prompted for the password. I also like the fact the Creative include a calendar and organizer into the player. It?s nice however unnecessary it may be.
USER INTERFACE:
 I have got to give creative its pro
ps.
Those who criticize Creative for copying iPod really have no idea what Creative has done! Its ergonomic design is the best I have seen since the iPod!!! It is designed for one handed thumb use. One of the problems with the micro and other players like it is the fact that its touch pad was too sensiti've and by simply holding the player, it was a good chance you would accidentally access a function, when the hold switch wasn?t on. The only thing that?s touch sensiti've here is the scroll pad. Creative brilliantly included two side buttons along the thumb pad, which you can easily press with your thumb. This is not copy-catting. This is innovation! Add to that, the other outside buttons that surround the thumb pad are NOT touch sensiti've. They are clickable buttons. The chances of accidental button pressing are greatly minimized. My only problem with the setup is that Creative foolishly assigned the scroll pad buttons to song skip access. That?s fine and dandy when you are in the ?Now playing screen?, but when navigating the menu, it'ss a slight discomfort. The side buttons would be extremely useful when navigating the menu system. Especially with one handed use.
VIDEO and PICTURES
 Well, the one feature that sets this player apart is its ability to play video right? Well, when I first got my player and through my content on it, I threw some videos (less porn) that were on my computer on the player. They played flawlessly with no video conversion necessary. They included a downloaded episode of ?BattleStar Galactica?, ?Boston Legal?, and ?Prison Break?. They all played beautifully. I don?t know if the player?s CPU can handle it, but I would love the ability to fast forward or scan through long video files a lot faster. Selecting ?Seek To? from the menu helps a lot, but its not fast enough. Also, I would like for Creative to add quicktime or .mov support if its possible (legally). My digital camera and cell phone records video clips in .mov format. I also have lots of trailers on my computer in quicktime format. It would be nice if I can simply drop some of the clips on the player without converting them first.
 The Pictures show great on this player. You can't scroll through them as quickly and as crisp as with the iPod but there is a reason for that. The ipod scales down and convert photos so they can be shown on the screen. The Creative doesn?t do that. Simply drop the picture on the device and it will be displayed. The benefit to this method is that the player allows you to zoom in on the photos which is a very nice feature and an adequate trade
In. It makes transferring pictures faster also. Add to that, you can switch the folder view and thumbnail picture view to vertical scroll. Speaking of which, where is the USB OTG? This would be a big plus if you had it.
 The AV out works great also. I don?t have a/v cables that connect to the player on hand but I did have red and black audio cables that would connect. I stuck the jack in about half way and connected the red on to the video in port on the TV and it worked. I still highly recommend purchasing the a/V cables for it.
PLAYER DESIGN:
 What can I say. So, it looks like the iPod. But should we really fault Creative for that? iRi'ver?s H300 was the first mp3 player to have support for photo?s. When the iPod photo debuted, you could very well have accused Apple of ?copying? iRi'ver. The only way this player copies the iPod is the fact the screen is the same size and dimension. Oh, and the controls are on the bottom. Kind of like the same way Apple ?copied? iRi'ver. I emphasize the word copy because both of theses players were in development at the same time. Creative released their player a short time after Apple. There is no way Creative could have thrown a player this functional and feature heavy together so quickly. The fact that the players look similar is mere coincidence. Other than that, like the 5G ipod, it'ss a beauty. The fact that the buttons glow gives it an extra coolness. I give creative props for its new interface which rocks and what I like to call?The Thumb Click? Oh, and Creative, the next time you release a player, you can keep the so called ?sync adapter?. I don?t like it one bit. Find a way to build the outlets into the player without compromising is size!!! Its just one more thing I have to keep up with.
SOFTWARE / COMPUTER INTERFACE:
The last time I dealt with Creative?s software is when I had the Micro. It was clunky but functional. I like what they have done this time around. Still the familiar software but more organized. My only problem is when syncing. I edited an id3 tag on my computer and synced the library again. The software failed to sync the song, listing it as an error. The only way to correct this was to delete the song from the player and re-sync it.
ZEN CAST ORGANIZER NOTE:
 Creative, I say this with the best intentions not to be taken the wrong way. You guys need to scrap the current beta software and go back to the drawing board. Do you guys even realize the potential you have with ZCO? First off, when using the sync organizer, it works, but it can't handle video. It is ridiculously slow when handling video. The syncing software in explorer works a lot better. And then ZCO doesn?t show all of the podcasts available on ZenCast. It brings up internet explorer. What you guys need to do, is go back to the drawing board and design software that expertly organizes my entire media library with extreme simplicity. Have a section for music, pictures, video, and zen/pod casts. The Music section can have the option of connecting to an online music store, the video section can have the option of connecting to an online video store, and the ZenCast, to to the Zencast website, where you can easily subscribe to any zencast without bringing up the browser.
 Lets say you guys strike a deal with?.say?..NBC. and NBC makes its episodes of ?Book of Daniel? available on the Zen video store. I should be able to purchase a season pass, and every time I sync my player, it will automatically download and/or sync the latest episode. The possibilities are endless!!!
BUGS:
I have only noticed two bugs with this player. It seems that the Vision:m has an obsessi've compulsi've need to display album art for every song played. Even songs with no album art associated with them. Since my library is organized by genre and not by album, the player simply picks another album art from the folder ad displays that art for a song with no album art. Creative please fix this because its annoying. Also, one almost unnoticeable bug. The ?song time? count at the bottom of the progress indicator in the ?Now Playing? screen seems to have a hard time counting seconds in some songs. Its too slow and eventually catches up. Then counts regularly, and speeds p again. At first I thought the problem was with VBR mp3?s but it does it with regular 28 kbit rates.
Overall Creative has built a very good player and is currently the best out there. I was a fan of the micro and am now A HUGE fan of this one. This player has yet to crash since I have had it, considering that the micro crashed 3 times by this point of my having one. In fact, this looks to be the most stable player I?ve owned as well. I want to personally thank the Creative development for making a player so superior to anything else out there and at such a competiti've price. I will stomp for your company and brand every chance I get. But You have to meet me half way. Outside the Geek world, your brand is barely recognized. You need to set up a huge base of operations in the US and heavily promote your brand. Not just in magazines and one or two city billboards, but on constant TV commercials, get some music artists on TV promoting your player. Come on guys, really show Apple that you are serious about taking them on. I realize that this costs money to do, but you have to spend money to make money right?
Below is my Firmware Wish List I prioritized them starting with the most important thing. Please try to get to some of these issues.
- fix album art bug
- make a main menu option for Zen cast. This shouldn?t be in the video folder.
- Add the ability to browse by title in the Genre folder.
- Add support for .mov format to video please.
- USB On the Go would be a nice addition as well
- Add the ability to randomly select a new background from a pre selected group of photos every time the player is turned on or each day.
- SRS if possible. It sounds wonderful on other players.
- Make side scroll pad buttons to be used for navigating menu system.
- A small game or two wouldn?t hurt, but add more coolness to it.
Thank you for listening

wow, very nice review Makes me want to get a vision for myself.
WebKnight wrote:

Add the ability to randomly select a new background from a pre selected group of photos every time the player is turned on or each day.
I would love that feature. I can't stand useing my computer with a single wall paper anymore (I have 500 anime pics that i rotate between every 2 mins ) If you could make the vision rotate background every x minutes or every time the player is turned on, it would be totally amazeningly sweet!!!! (i might have to go out and buy one then :P)
I just hope that creative has better firmware support with the vision than they have had with the touch.
Once again, great review

Full revision list of the Zen Micro's firmware?

/ I've been digging up various firmwares, and I'll be honest and say that because I use an AC Adaptor that 2.2.02 and ..0 are not in my best interests. While I have no tested whether .02.05 retains charge over time I will probably do so tomorrow. I'd like to know the full history of the device so I know where to stand on this. I like to have the 4 hour standby, but not the 'shorter' charge span simply because all Creative did was drop the peak voltage from 4.9V (Li-Po can take up to 4.235V) to 4.2V. Granted the slope of the charging curve gets very flat at that level, but I do feel that it is best to inform geeks so they know what to expect.
Version (Recovery Mode version)
..0 (0.0.65)
2.2.02 (0.0.65)
.0.02 (0.0.63) (Pulled off due to complaints)
.02.05 (0.0.58)
2.00.2 (Cannot be installed)
I know I missed a few, but because the Zen Micro is past its life cycle I doubt there will be any customizations to the device.

what problems?
Spending time on a support forum like this, that covers the full gamut of the customer base, you are going to see probably 80% of the posts from folks having problems ranging from minor pilot error to real hardware failure. The 20% with tips, kudos etc are all in the minority and will not be very visible.
Creative has probably sold over 5 million Micro's since inception. There are definitely going to be problems with that many units in the general population. And some of the problems have been real issues such as the battery drain and the issue of headphone jacks. The latest firmware v . has fixed the battery problem, and on the 3 Micros in our household we are all seeing over hours playback time, excellent battery hold time, good charging characteristics etc etc. The headphone jack issue seems to have become a lot less of a topic the past month or so. Noting that Creative sold probably about .5 million of the earliest Micros, and these were the units that seemed to have headphone jacks go bad, if at all, all the later products may have enough of a redesign that the jacks are OK. Certainly we are fine over here with the new revisions.
The pluses of the Micro are many, and the diminuti've size and excellent UI makes using this player a pleasure. Audio quality is excellent, and other than sheer output power is right up there with the JB3 (IMO the best ever mp3 player - irregardless of brand).
Hope this rambling note can help you with your decision.
jake

Problem with the Zen Vision

So I go to turn on my Zen Vision: M this afternoon. It was working fine all day.
However, this time it did not turn on.
Instead it displayed an icon on the screen.
It shows the Zen with a caution sign beside it.
This Icon still remains on the screen.
The TouchPad buttons are lighted.
Any help on how to fix this would be appreciated.
By the way;
I had the "blinking blue light on top" problem yesterday, fixed it though by charging it for a few hours. Thought i'd mention it if it relates to the current problem i'm having.
Thanks in advance

Have you tried resetting it's (Stick a needle or something long and thin into the small hole at the base of the player, near where you put the USB dock)

Someone please help me to find a USA to US power adaptor for the Zen Mic

Help ! I recently received a 40th birthday present zen micro from a relati've in New York, however the plug is the USA 'two flat pin type'. I have detached it from the power supply to find two smaller pins underneath so please someone tell me where I can buy the UK version of this 'plug top' from. Standard US to UK travel adaptors don't work as the collar diameter on them is too small meaning that the Zen's power supply won't fit ! I am desperate to try my new Zen out but I'm stuck ! Many thanks for any help.
Martin.

Thanks to everyone for the ti
ps.
I've gone for the cheapy uk shaver adaptor and it works fine. My zen didnt need any firmware updates but bizarrly the spare battery took nearly fi've hours to fully charge against the first which was just under three !
Lastly, does anyone know if the warranty is valid in the UK (ie Global) seeing as my zen came from the US.
Thanks again to all.
MD.

Windows 7 64 bit driver for the Zen Vision M?

- Where EXACTLY can I find the Windows 7 64-bit driver for the Zen Vision M? My new computer came with it installed in Windows Media Player 2, but the driver became corrupt. I can't seem to find that driver on the Creative or Microsoft download websites. Please Help!

The driver is nati've to Windows. Creative does not write the MTP driver. I would suggest re-install WMP2 or contact Microsoft for advice if it is corrupt. As for software to use the player on a 64 Win 7system? there is nothing for the Vision M. You may want to read this page? http://support.creative.com/KB/showarticle.aspx?sid=605&h=3

What's wrong with the Zen Nano pl

I've been looking around for the MP3 player that will suit my needs.
The key features I need are...
. Above average sound quality.
2. Flash based.
3. Small. Can accompany me anywhere with ease.
4. User replaceable battery. (after few years, built-in battery will die. sending to service center for replacement is a pain in my country)
5. The screen that let me navigate through my music files.
I've been deciding between the iPod nano and Mobiblu DAH-500i(Currently I've not enough money for the iPod nano though.). But for some reason I just want to check creative website. My last creative product was back then...... the first generation Creative Nomad Jukebox 6GB.
And I found this one, the Zen nano & Zen nano plus. This player meets all my requirements. I quickly browse CNET and PCMAG.com for the reviews of this product. Yes, they say good things about it. But the rating is somewhat low compared to other models out there. PCmag give it 3.5/5. And Cnet doesn't even have a full review for it.(only 'preview' available.)
I'm not sure if I can think this way but after reading through the 'features' page, I think this product just simply 'SHOULD BE MORE POPULAR'. It's so perfect. It fills all the holes I have in my mind about iPod nano(no drag and drop) and DAH-500i(battery life). I'm not interest in FM radio though.
So I'm starting to wonder if there's some hidden flaws about it's Forexample, is it only compatible with AAA alkaline battery but not the rechargeable AAA Ni-MH or Ni-CD battery? This thing is build of very cheap plastic? etc...
Question # Please let me know what is the 'bad' point of Zen nano/ Zen nano plus. Because I really can't find it.
Question #2 Is there a hole on the device where I can atach a lanyard?
Thank you.

As said above, the N200 is the exact same (with some software exceptions and maybe the odd change) as the Nano Plus.
The plastic the player is made out of can be quite fragile (I've got a crack in the bottom of my player) - but it's not so fragile as the Ipod Nano seems to be (it's meant to be a magnet to scratches), it's a bit of a cheap plastic, but I'm not sure the extent of how fragile it is, though you can't literally snap it in half.
You will need to reload the firmware every so often, if you're lucky, it might be every few months, some have to do it every few weeks (It could be the luck of the draw, some people might have faulty products, but it is something that needs to be done). This usually is the fix for any random problem with the player (at least it's not always back to Creative for repair)
The Line in is pretty shoddy, don't use that. (They might have fixed it in the later versions of the firmware, not in .2)
The sound quality is well, as good as you can expect I suppose, it's not the worst thing in the world, but testing it against my cousin's Ipod Photo (I know it's not exactly a big comparrison), there's no or very little difference.
The battery is user changable, AAA batteries. There have been some cases with some rechargeables not working - that could just be the luck of the draw, or just a incompatability issue, like anything that uses batteries. However, most rechargeables should work with the player well. (I'm using rechargeables as well)
There is a hole for the laynard around the back of the player - yet I remember the hole on a user's player had broken. In Asia, the player is sold with the laynard, whereas in North America and Europe, it comes with an arm band and a rubber cover with a plastic belt clip.
The backlit buzz as mentioned above is also a problem, though on the Cnet Asia review for the N200, the claimed it wasn't audiable during music playback. Though how much it annoys you can depend on you, it's like some people can sleep with World War 3 outside, some can only sleep in perfect silence.
I'm sure there will be people with horror stories about the player, but there will always be people with horror stories about everything and anything.
Feel free to ask more questions if you want.
Although, saying that, the Samsung players are meant to be pretty good as well if you want to check them out.Message Edited by arcl on 09-26-2005 02:23 AM

Why is the Zen Touch.

I just wanted know know one thing, WHY DID YOU GUYS MAKE THE SMALLER ONES BETTER THAN THIS?!?!?! I own a 40gb creative zen touch and a friend of mine has a smaller 5gb one with exactly everything the touch has except the touch pad on the smaller one is better (liek the design you guys decided to choose) and having radio, as well as having the mic thing where you can record anything without using your computer. For example you can record important meetings in case you miss something out during the meeting without have a microphone connected to the computer to record. (if you dont know what i mean well i mean you just have the mp3 and you put the record function on during a conversation and you can listen to it afterwards instead of using a regular computer with a microphone at home...)
Anyway my whole point is why make the smaller ones better than the bigger ones? 20-40gb is very nice but why make some smaller ones better and more options to work with? Is it because the Zen Touch's are older and the smaller ones are newer?
This makes me want to get a refund now and get a Zen Vision or whatever can do Radio/Music/Pictures/videos/mic recording/lots of size (20gb or 40gb).
Basically this sounds like a media source player but i have no idea since the things are so big and can barely fit in a pocket.
Please respond in advance and thank you for your time.
EDIT: I forgot to ask, why is the Zen Touch so thick?Message Edited by Someguy0 on 0-23-2006 :53 PM

The reason (I speculate) that the Zen Touch doesn't have all the features that the Zen Micro has is because it is a much older player. It was made before Creative started putting FM radio adn Microphones in all their players.
And it is so thick because of the 24 hour battery, which takes up a good part of the player.

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