Which CPU heatsink/fan for Z77A-GD65? - if 90 C at 100% load is too high?

With stock Intel heat sink and keeping the CPU (i7 3770) load at 100% for hours, the CPU temp hovers around 89-90 C. My case has 2 x 120 mm fans in the front and 2 x 120 mm fans on the back of the case, . With the room temperature of 20-22 C, the typical idle CPU Temp is 30-32 C.
Two questions please.
1) Is keeping the CPU temperature at 90 C all day "safe"?
2) What after market heat-sink would would recommend for this MB, if the temperature should be dropped few degrees.
My observation for Z77A-GD65: There isn't much real-estate around the CPU for a large coolers and furthermore, my case cannot fit one of those tall cooler heat sinks with 120 mm fan on the fins.
I don't overclock, but run multiple CPU intensive simulations.
i7 3770,
Z77A-D65 MB,
Corsair 750TX PSU,
Corsair Veangeance LP 4 x 8GB RAM ( CML16GX3M2A1600C10)
using internal INTEL graphics and I have 5 x 1TB HDD's of various brand.

UPDATE:
Thank you again for the good suggestions.
I installed Arctic Freezer 13 CO cooler and the temp dropped about 25 C from 90C to 65C with 100% CPU load (my simulation program) for nearly 10 hours.
Tested on Prime95 => 71 C max after 10 hours. Before the upgrade, I dared not run prime95 because the temperature would quickly shoot up above 90C.
IntelBurnTest 2.54 Max Stress => 80 C max
The 92mm cooler fan clears barely above the low profile RAM. It may not fit on high profile RAM( those with high heat spread) Max RPM is about 2100. It's very quiet. I cannot tell apart the cooler fan noise over the case fan noise. After trying to get optimal fan speed using MB BIOS and MSI Control Center, I decided to turn off smart fan control and leave the fan speed at 100%. This "CO: Continuous Operation" fan is supposed to last a long time anyway.

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