Which is better server side include or templates

Hi
which is better server side include or templates? i mean which will be faster in development? and also more robust?
thanks in advance.

Hello,
I think server side include.
since you will only need to run the database.
Templates still have the pains of pages
cheers

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Server side includes possible in template ???

Can I use server side include in application templates. Does not
seem to work ??
Thanks

Could you pls post your actual requirement. Not sure what you are
trying to attempt. Pls post your portal version also.

Server-side includes question

I preface this all by saying that I have never used a
server-side include but am considering it based on a suggestion
from a thread yesterday.
If I created a server-side include file that contained only
my title banner/nav bar and placed that file at the top of each of
my pages, would it then be possible to have content (Flash, in this
case) from an editable region in a template-based file display on
top of that banner? Can they overlap, I guess is what I'm asking.
Thanks - JAY

> This would probably be an issue mostly if you don't want
to synchronize
> your
> entire site, I suppose. What about file directory
issues? Can you keep
> pages in
> sub-directories based on the specific template from
which they were
> created or
> will that cause problems (such as SSI functionality)?
DW is quite smart enough to manage your page links.
Plus, if you can use virtual includes, then the link to the
include files
will be the same for any page in any location in your site.
So - you have no link worries in this sense. But a more
specific example
that leads you to ask your question might help get a better
answer here.
> class 1. I've got my nav bar/title banner
> happening as an SSI to be included on all pages - class
2. Lastly, all
> page-specific content including detail text, images, and
some info and nav
> Spry
> panels will appear in editable regions, (defined by
divs, presumably?) -
> class
> 3. WIth the latter, I'll preload the editable regions
with the type of
> content
> I want and then customize it on each page, relink, etc.
Using an editable region for a section-specific navigation
include is a
great way to do it.
Good luck!
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> But underlying it all is this nasty requirement to
upload all changed
> files.
>
>
> This would probably be an issue mostly if you don't want
to synchronize
> your
> entire site, I suppose. What about file directory
issues? Can you keep
> pages in
> sub-directories based on the specific template from
which they were
> created or
> will that cause problems (such as SSI functionality)?
>
>
quote:
> First, I mentally separate the page layout into three
sections:
>
> 1. Stuff that will not change for the life of the site
(i.e., the basic
> structural elements)
> 2. Stuff that *could* change from time to time (e.g.,
navigation
> elements,
> burst advertisements, section-specific navigation, etc.)
> 3. Stuff that *will* change from one page to the next
>
> Then I create a template containing all class1 elements.
Next I create
> server-side include files containing all class 2
elements and place them
> on the
> template as needed. Note - some of the class 2 elements
may be
> "section-specific elements", and their placement on the
template will be
> subject to the next item. Finally, I insert editable
regions to cover the
> class
> 3 items, INCLUDING the section-specific navigation.
>
>
> This makes sense to me and is very much what I had in
mind, (after asking
> lots
> of questions on this forum, that is). This site will
need at least three
> different structural pages - class 1. I've got my nav
bar/title banner
> happening as an SSI to be included on all pages - class
2. Lastly, all
> page-specific content including detail text, images, and
some info and nav
> Spry
> panels will appear in editable regions, (defined by
divs, presumably?) -
> class
> 3. WIth the latter, I'll preload the editable regions
with the type of
> content
> I want and then customize it on each page, relink, etc.
>
> Thanks so much!
>
> JAY
>

Contribute changing relative path for server-side include

I am using Contribute CS3, version 4.1, and my pages crash
every time a send a draft for review, because Contribute is
rewriting a relative URL in a server-side include.
The server-side include (before I send for review) reads:

After I edit other portions of the page and send the draft
for review, it reads:

Which results in the draft being unreadable.
Is there any way to tell Contribute not to monkey with this
URL? I have hunted, read the forums, checked the knowledge base,
and coming up empy.
Thanks in advance for any help you can provide!! I really
appreciate it!
-Nicholas

Answering my own question.
I researched this complete forum and with taking ideas from
different posts, I was able to figure this out. I thought I would
post it for anyone else needing to know the answer in one place:
Include tags must read:

(Include file is NOT a real HTML doc -- no tags in file
except for CSS, as it would be used if not using Contribute.)
No reference to .dwt needed nor Template created.
No Edit instance tags needed anywhere.
Contribute user navigates to page:
[Upper right corner] Click Choose...
[In my structure] User opens includes folder (double clicks)
User selects THE file (clicks OK)
User clicks on Edit Page button
(Text is now editable.)
User edits text.
User clicks on Publish button.
Worked for me several times trying.
- Janet

Server Side Includes and Divs

I have a template (dwt) for my site with editable regions for
menus. I want to use Server Side Includes for the menu, as not all
the pages will have the same menu.
I have designed the site template (and pages) with css and
divs. The area for the SSI is a div of size 145x335. The menu which
I want to put inside this div will be a div based menu. I havent
had any luck displaying the Div from the SSI yet. I have been
looking on Google for help, but not much luck. I can get the Div to
appear but the formatting doesnt show up.
Im putting the SSI code in where I want it on the page, but
im not sure exactly which code to get rid of in the shtml file. I
know I need to remove body, head parts etc
My site template uses CSS stored on the document, not an
external css file.
Any ideas?

> Im sure Ive not got it right yet!! My head wont work
lately!
Yes. It's not working well here, either.
Create your template with the editable region. In it, have
links to a) the
general stylesheet for all the pages, and b) the general
stylesheet for all
of the includes (these don't really need to be separate
files). Spawn a
child page, drop in the desired include, and save that page
as
whocares.shtml.
That's it....
The incude files themselves can be names anything you want -
I like the
'monkeybutt' extension, e.g.,
yourinclude.monkeybutt
The include files can make reference to CSS selectors, but
cannot have
embedded CSS rules, or links to external CSS files.
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> Ive made myself confused now! I need it spelling out to
me!
>
> Ok, a template file (dwt) with its css as an external
style sheet.
>
> Rest of the sites pages made from the template file.
>
> Next, the template has one editable region for a choce
of 2 div based
> menus to
> be placed into. Place either of these div menus into the
template editable
> region by creating two seperate SHTML files - one for
each menu with the
> body/head removed(and with internal or external css?)
>
> Next put the SSI code into the body of the template
where I want the SSI
> to
> appear.
>
> Im sure Ive not got it right yet!! My head wont work
lately!
>

Server Side Includes with .irpt pages

I am intrested in using server side includes within my .irpt pages for example
<!#INCLUDE FILE="file.inc">
specifically inside of my applet tags to reference a standard set of parameters that I would like to be passed into my display templates. Does xMII have a similar representation of server side includes for .irpt pages?

It might make your head explode, but in a good way...
Also, you'll need 11.5 or newer to run this. There are so incredibly many opportunities that this might open up for you to deliver not only static, but also dynamic embedded server-side content.
There are many aspects of xMII that are largely untapped. A few common ones are the ability of the Runner servlet (which invokes xMII BLS transactions) to stream virtually any type of content back to the requestor (XML, HTML, text, images, PDFs, Excel, whatever).
The other feature that not too many people use is the ability to use an xMII BLS transaction as a "stylesheet".
Lastly, there is the little-known "<SERVLET>" tag that can be used in IRPT pages.
Put all these pieces together, and amazing things can be done. The example I'm going to show you uses a BLS transaction, but it can also be done with an XSL stylesheet (if the desired included HTML is static). But let's go for the cool approach...
Let's assume you have some "stuff", such HTML page content, that you want included in a specific position on your web page. Let's also assume that this "stuff" resides in a file accessible at http://localhost/MyInclude.html (the file extension doesn't really matter).
Create a new BLS transaction with no inputs and an output of type String (the name of the output doesn't matter - but in our case, let's assume you name it HTMLOutput). To workaround a cosmetic bug (which will be fixed in a future patch), you should also create a second output (doesn't matter what name or type) - so add one called "DummyOutput" of type String. Not worth explaining why - just do it.
Next, add either a TextLoader or HTMLLoader action (in the Web group) to your transaction (they both do the same thing, actually - just different icons). In the Output links tab, assign the StringContent of the loader action to the transaction output. This basically accomplishes the loading and streaming of your included "stuff".
Save this transaction. Let's save it in a folder called CoolStuff, with the name IncludeTest.
In your IRPT page, add the following code where you want the "stuff" to appear.
<SERVLET NAME="Illuminator">
     <param name="Stylesheet" value="xacute://CoolStuff/IncludeTest" />
     <param name="OutputParameter" value="HTMLOutput" />
     <param name="Output-Content-Type" value="text/html" />
     <param name="Content-Type" value="text/html" />
</SERVLET>
Save the IRPT page, load it, and you're in business!
You can probably already start to envision to possibilities for adding more sophisticated business logic to create "dynamically" embedded content in your IRPT pages...
Best regards,
Rick

Displaying server-side include in DW8

Sorry if this has been asked before? I did search and
couldn't find it (this site is painfully slow and searching is
worse)
I am trying to figure out how to make DW8 show my server-side
include files in the design view. My site uses SSI for all headers
and footers, so every page has at least 2 SSI's. They show up as
the SSI mark on the page, but not the code or graphical
representation of what is in the SSI. I need to have that code
snipet show up in my design view. The only way I have been able to
figure out how to do it, is to reinsert the SSI again from the
menu, and then delete it. Doing it that way, the original ssi that
is listed on the page will display graphicly in the design view.
I do have the option in the preferences - Invisible Elements
- Server-Side includes: and the check box is checked / enabled.
If I could, while I'm here, one other question. I have DW
code rewriting turned on, and it shows me each time I open a file,
what corrections it has made. But if I save the file, and then open
it again, it shows me the exact same corrections being done again.
Is there a trick to make DW8 save the corrections it automatically
makes to the files?
many thanks in advance.

> I know that there were major changes between 4 and 8.
One of which was tightening the tolerance for bad code. CS3
is very strict
about displaying proper code.
However, your fragments below look OK.
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> Do any of your included files include html, head or body
tags? If so,
> that's
> the problem. Having those creates invalid html which DW
will not
> render.
>
> Thats a great thought, but I just checked, and no, none
of those tags are
> in
> the files. I'll see if I can attach the code for the 2
files and see if
> that
> helps any. The header file does have my menu system
pasted into the text
> of
> the include file, but that has not caused problems
previously. FWIW, this
> worked fine in DW4 which is what I upgraded from. In
version 4, the
> headers
> and footers showed up fine in desgin view. I know that
there were major
> changes between 4 and 8.
>
> Header include file:
> ----------------------------
> <table border="0" align="center" width="750"
height="110">
> <tr>
> <td><a href="/index2.html"><img
src="/images/color_logo.gif"
> width="110"
> height="107" alt="MMDL Logo" border="0"
/></a></td>
> <td align="center" valign="middle"><a
href="/index2.html"><img
> src="/images/header4.gif" width="450" height="110"
border="0" alt="MMDL -
> The
> worlds largest steel tip dart league"
/></a></td>
> <td align="center" valign="middle"><a
href="testpage.html"></a><a
> href="
http://www.dmisports.com/darts_main.html"><img
> src="/images/dmilogo_small.gif" alt="DMI Sports"
width="110" height="77"
> border="0" longdesc="
http://www.dmisports.com"
/><br />
> 
> </a><a href="
http://www.mmdl.org/dmi_flyer.pdf">League
Board </a></td>
> </tr>
> </table>
> <script language="JavaScript"
> type="text/javascript">
> var navVer = navigator.appVersion;
> if(navVer.substr(0,3) >= 4)
> if((navigator.appName=="Netscape") &&
(parseInt(navigator.appVersion)==4))
> {
> document.write('<' + 'script language="JavaScript"
type="text/javascript"
> src="
http://www.mmdl.org/dmbmenu/nsmenu.js"><\/script\>');
> } else {
> document.write('<' + 'script language="JavaScript"
type="text/javascript"
> src="
http://www.mmdl.org/dmbmenu/iemenu.js"><\/script\>');
> }</script>
> <table border="0" width="550"
> height="110">
> -------------------------------------
> footer include file
> --------------------
> <table border="0" align="center">
> <tr>
> <td width="20" valign="top"
align="center"> </td>
> <td align="center" valign="middle" width="194">
> <div align="left"><a
href="mailto:[email protected]?subject=MMDL
> Darts.*..
> ">Comments? Email us</a></div>
> </td>
> <td align="center" valign="middle"
width="128"><a
> href="
http://www.mmdl.org/dmbmenu/textmenu.html">Text
> based menu</a></td>
> <td align="center" valign="middle"
width="223">© <SUP>SM</SUP>
> 2007
> Minute Man Dart League. All rights reserved.</td>
> </tr>
> </table>
> -----------------------
>
>
>
>

Server side include problem in DW design mode

I am having issues with one computer out of three...Using DW
8 on Mac OS 10.4 Intel....
I have a server-side include set up to contain my navigation
(nav.shtml) inside of a DW template, and normally, the editable
regions can be worked in and the SSI area comes up blank until the
file is uploaded to the server (which is OK...).
On the third computer, however, the SSI area is actually
visible in DW, but the Editable Region containing the main content
area doesn't even show up, therefore we cannot work on web pages on
that computer. I know this must be a setting having to do with
using DW and a Mac as a web server, but I cannot find it! Anyone
have any clues?
Thanks so much!

Can you describe teh details of the problem, please?
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Server Side Includes and php

I have php forms on a site update. I want to use a server side include to keep the dynamic menu off the template. The include works on the home page and other .shtm pages, but not on the php. This can't be impossible. What's the hint? I can't (or can I) save the php as .shtm. and the thread will not allow any of the file types to be attached. Ergo ... the link:http://shrhabitat.org/index09.shtm, the include: http://shrhabitat.org/includes/hfhshrmenu.lbw, the contact form: http://shrhabitat.org/contactus.php
don Carlos de la Playa

Alrighty then, What I did was add both html and php include code to the template. It seems to work without duplication. For the experts in the crowd, will this blow up in my face someday? As near as I can tell, I just need to ensure that any changes are made to both files which, after all, clones of one another.
Ya'll have a fine Virginia day, now. Y'hear?
don Carlos de la playa

What is the difference between jsp :include and server side include

what is the difference between jsp :include and server side include(request dispatcher include method)????
i understand that both request dispatcher include method and jsp:include take dynamic data,so when would one use request dispatcher include and when jsp:include.
Is the usage interchangeable?i believe jsp include is used only for jsp/html but include directive can be used to include servlets ,jsp and html....correct me if i m wrong and
do suggest if u hav ny other diff in this context...

The difference really is: in what format do you want your inclusions? If your environment has many Java developers and only a few designers that focus mainly on, say, Flash, that might push you more towards the server-side include() directive. Or, if you have a large set of pages that receive dynamic content that is displayed in a consistent fashion (such as a workflow header area on a page).
If, on the other hand, you have more web designers, there may be a greater desire to deal in markup rather than Java code. Java developers themselves might prefer to view markup (JSP) that more resembles the eventual output than something occuring in Java code.
Finally, there are considerations of tiering. While it is totally possible to (and I have previously) implement 'view classes' that render markup or generate layout templates, JSP's offer, IMO, a subtle, psychological advantage. By forcing a developer to work in a different format, markup versus Java source, the separation on view from controller and model becomes a bit easier. It is still possible to make mistakes, but if a developer at some point notices, "Wait, I'm in a JSP, should I be importing a java.sql class?", then the choice to use JSP includes has paid off in spades.
- Saish

Server Side Includes not rendering correctly in Firefox with Layers

Hi
The server side includes are not correctly rendering with layers in firefox. From my site here:-
http://www.osteriastecca.com/index.php
the home_page.php content renders above a layer on the index.php page. Initially I thought this might be a Flash layer issue but the wmode is set correctly to transparent and it works fine with a normal ssi. It also works fine in Firefox without a server side include as you can see here:-
http://www.osteriastecca.com/index_old.php
Works fine in IE and Safari, but not Firefox.
How can this be rectified?
Regards
Glennyboy

What testing server setup do you have? Are you using something like WAMP?
What do you see on screen which tells you the SSIs are not rendering? Any error message?

Server Side Includes for Apache and parsing text files

I have an old website I used to do zipped up and I decided to set it up on my personal webserver in OS X . I got apache configured to allow server side includes (edited the httpd.conf to all them:
<Directory />
Options FollowSymLinks Indexes MultiViews Includes
AllowOverride None
</Directory>
But I can't get the pages to come up. See I have this .shtml page which loads fine and a part of it has this line:

But it won't parse that txt file and show the html that its formatted in.
Anyone have any ideas on how to get it to parse that txt file? Even if I load just that txt file it shows raw code not it formatted. Please help.

Ignore that first reply. I thought I was dealing with server.
As usual, I fogot to make sure that Includes was in the Options directive for the DOCUMENT_ROOT or VirtualHost. After 10 years, you'd think I'd remember that. I just configged one of my macs to do SSI. Here's the 3 lines that I changed:
Line 399 (the DOCUMENT_ROOT definition): Options Indexes FollowSymLinks MultiViews Includes
Line 887 (To use server parsed HTML): AddType text/html .shtml
Line 888: AddHandler server-parsed .shtml
apachectl restart
and off it went!
Roger

Server-side includes not rendering

Hi, I'm on CS5.5 (Windows operating environemnt). The server-side includes are not rendering in Live view now, whereas they were previously. Is this some sort of configuration issue, if so can you help me fix it.

What testing server setup do you have? Are you using something like WAMP?
What do you see on screen which tells you the SSIs are not rendering? Any error message?

Server-side includes not working

Running CF9.x on Apache 2.2 Win 7.
I inherited an older html multiple page site that we are breaking down into includes using html server-side includes:
e.g. , and saving the page as a .html file, which is then <cfincluded> in a .cfm file.
Is there a way to get  include working on a CF page? All I see is the contents of the page, but none of the sidebar.html, or header.html, etc.
I know I could switch to cfincludes, but the boss LOVES to muck around with the html side of things.
TIA,
Doug

I know I could switch to cfincludes, but the boss LOVES to muck around with the html side of things.
All the more reason to do it, surely?
But anyway...
I've never used a server-side include, but it looks to me that they just load the file and return it at that position in the document.
For CF code to be executed, the file needs to be REQUESTED, so it won't be a starter with server-side includes.
Adam

Server side includes: outdated and not supported by host?

I've been using SSI's for ages with no problem from any host. Recently I signed up with a new web hosting company, one of the more established ones in the Seattle area. They do not support SSI's and claim that using them is not safe and is not a modern approach to web design. They suggested I use a more advanced programming language to create my sites, such as ASP.NET (something I have no desire to do).
Are server side includes outdated and no longer the way to do things? I find that hard to believe.
-Jesse

Are server side includes outdated and no longer the way to do things? I find that hard to believe.
That language is from Microsoft who seem to think so along with Windows based hosting providers offering ASP.NET.
IIS no longer comes with SSI installed by default. It has to be configured by the hosting provider.
http://blogs.iis.net/robert_mcmurray/archive/2010/12/28/iis-notes-on-server-side-includes- ssi-syntax-kb-203064-revisited.aspx
However, classic SSIs (in the sense of including static content from one page inside another) are still one of the most powerful, safe and flexible tools for managing repetitive page elements in any web page. Not to mention easy.
ASP.NET has its own way of doing the equivalent of SSIs - and lots more beside but much of which does not interest web designers at this stage.
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/894720/asp-net-equivalent-of-server-side-includes
http://searchsoftwarequality.techtarget.com/answer/Alternatives-to-server-side-includes-fo r-ASPNET

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