White Balance differences Nikon and Panasonic RAW

Sorry if this is an idiot question. On recent holdiay my wife and I shot similar photos but I was using a Nikon D200 and she a Panasonic G2, both in RAW. We combine our photos together afterwards and print them in photobooks. It is therefore important that photos of the same thing are the same colour! I naively assumed that if I set the colour temp and tint to be the same, assuming the photos were taken in the same light, that this would be the case. Using the WB dropped on the same white shirt on each photo I am coming up with Nikon settings 4,000 lower in temp and -10 in tint to get a similar colour.
Could some one exlain easily why white isn't the same temp? Is this just that Nikon and Panasonic use proprietary RAW that will always be different? Would it help to convert everything to DNG first?
Thanks
Mike

Nikon and Panasonic use different sensors. If you ever shot film, this is like using differnt film stock.
Sensors require a calibration for how they reproduce colour. These calibrations differ, you are offered a choice built into LR for many cameras and can make your own using the free tool from Adobe.. Setting a the same WB across files from different sensors will not in itself produce the same colour response. It may offer a starting point for what is called in the world of film making colour grading.
Other factors also effect colour reproduction, the lens being just one of them and you will be usually using different lenses on a Nikon than on a Lumix camera (although Nikon lenses can of course fit m 4:3's cameras, so you could use the same lens for all the shots which would help).
In the end you will have to colour match the images yourself by eye. You can then create a pre set.
Matching colours taken by different cameras or in different light situations is an art form in itself. In film and video production colour grading is a full time job.

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Just ran some tests between a Nikon D300 and a Nikon D7000. I pulled both images into Lightroom 3.4 (PC), and matched the white balance using the White Balance Selector tool and a WhiBal card in a test image. And even though they now have the same white balance, the colors are distinctly different. How is this possible? (The same image shot with a D200 looks nearly identical to the D300.) Examples:
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Nikon 17-55mm f/2.8 @50mm
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I need to be able to shoot with multiple bodies and sync them so I don't have to adjust the batches separately.
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When making a film, directors, such as Hitchcock, would insist on not only using the same film stock, from the same batch, but in the case of Vertigo even had the same water source used for all processing to achieve the look he was after.

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