White balance from camera????

I have a Canon 1D MkII N.
Aperture (1.5.2.) does not seem to apply the white ballance settings from my camera (RAW images of course).
Can't believe that I have to set the white balance for each and every image...
Am I missing something?
Please help

Hi Roger,
The image should come in with the white balance settings that came off the camera. Specifically, the color temperature and tint should be set.
Now note that Aperture does not have the same defaults that the Canon RAW software has -- there is no "cloudy" "shade" "tungsten" e.g. as presets. But if you set it on shade it should come in with a temp of say 6500 -- whatever the camera defaults to. You will just see numbers for temperature and tint, though. Is this not what you're seeing?
I just tried it on my 1D mark II with 5 different color temperatures on camera and they're definitely different in Aperture. Tungsten came in at 3193K and has a definite blue cast. Though on the one I explicitly set to a color temp of 5200K on camera came into Aperture as 4800K.

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I have used custom white balance many times before.
I tried the battery removal etc. No luck there.
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