White Balance In "PS" Or In "LR"

Hello Everyone I have a question please.
1- Shooting with my Canon 5D, Mostly shooting with Strobes, Usually I choose a Custom white Balance shooting a Gray-Card. Or some-times I set it at: 5200- 5500 K.
2- Later I shoot a Color-Checker with the same Lighting that I shot my Images In that day, and I Import the color-checker Image into Lightroom.
3- I select the Eye-Dropper Tool, and I choose a white balance by clicking on one of the neutral colors inside the Lightroom .
4- I export the Color-Checker As a DNG file.
5- I Drag and Drop the DNG file into the Color-Checker, and I save my profile.( I can also export it as a Preset of Color-Checker from File-Export-Preset- Color-Checker Passport )
6- I go to the Photoshop and I go to the Camera-Raw, and Open the Images and I apply the preset Manually to each Image one by one.
Here Is my question:
some people say: It Is better to go to the Lightroom and export the Color-Checker as a preset and later apply the Eye-Dropper Tool for White Balance..
And, Some people say It Is always better to apply the Eye-Dropper Tool for white balance at first Inside the Lightroom and then export the color-Checker as a preset.
and some other people say It is better to export the Color-Checker as a Preset and open it Inside the Photo-Shop Camera Raw, and then Click on the White Balance Eye Dropper Tool Inside the Camera Raw, and select the white Balance and then save It as the final preset and apply that preset to the Images..
I worked with Photoshop for many years, But, I am very new to Lightroom.
Please let me know what is your recommendation.
Thank you very much

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