White Point Presets?

Hello all, I am using the trial version of Aperture2 and so far, I really like running a native pro image editor. I was using Lightroom (still am, mainly at the moment), and it has built in white point presets (daylight, shade, tungsten, etc). Does Aperture have this too? I was looking and I have to admit I haven't looked too thoroughly, but it's not so easy to find if it's there.
Thanks for any help you can offer!

there are no built in white balance presets... but you can create your own ...
here is a post on a blog that i used to make my white balance presets ...
http://blogs.oreilly.com/aperture/2006/11/create-your-own-white-balance-1.html

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Camera Raw white balance presets

When I open an image (either RAW or JPEG), I only have 3 option for white balance presets. "As Shot" "Auto" or "Custom". Does anyone know how I can get the other presets?? I am using CS3 w/ Camera Raw 4.2. I have reset my Camera Raw defaults with no luck.
Thank you for your help.

Brent: Are you absolutely, 100%, sure you are opening a raw file?
JPEG and TIFFs so not have these extra presets because they don't make sense since the starting point for a JPEG/TIFF is unknown.

White Balance Presets

Do you miss the white balance presets used in Adobe Camera Raw (daylight, cloudy, shade, etc.)? Here is a way we can easily add these to Aperture:
http://www.oreillynet.com/digitalmedia/blog/2006/11/createyour_own_white_balance1.html

To answer your second question, you can use the lift and stamp tool to lift only the adjustments made to an image and then stamp all selected images at once. It will take a little time, but all images will have the same adjustments as the image you lifted them from.
You can take the image you created from your gray card and develop a Preset labled gray card.
Jeff

Another white balance presets/settings question

(this is related to two other posts regarding white balance presets, but didn't want to hijack those threads with my own specific questions...)
i've got a canon s70, and have been messing around with a friends copy of aperture. the raw files of my camera are recognized (though the aperture camera support page identifies it as not optimized support), but the problem is that the white balance settings in camera are ignored.
when i view a raw file from my camera in aperture, the exif data shows that it is recognizing different white balance settings (various numbers are displayed here, for example, 1 for auto, 3 for tungsten, 6 for manual, etc). however, the temp. and tint settings are the same for all the images, regardless of wb setting (5278K temp, -18 tint).
so, here are my questions:
- is there any setting i'm missing that would let aperture correctly interpet the wb temp for a specific setting? in another thread regarding canon cameras and wb someone stated that aperture reads wb 'as shot', but it seems odd that it would recognize these different wb settings but apply the same temp and tint calculations across the board.
-i noticed that i can create white balance presets and apply them manually. i was wondering if it's possible to apply preset wb settings automatically. for example, is it possible to create an approximate wb setting for 'tungsten' (3), and then have it applied to all images with the '3' setting, either automatically on/immediately after import, or through an applescript or automator action?
while i could use lightroom, atm lightroom is lacking some features that i crucial to my wider image management/workflow needs (though it does correctly interpret my white balance settings). aperture seems like the best bet for me, but i would rather not go through my library of raw files and manually change the wb settings for each image.
thanks in advance for any help.

I don't know about your other white balance issue, but yes, you can apply a white balance to a selection of images.
Create a set of WB presets (one for daylight, cloudy, fluorescent, tungsten etc.). This takes moments and will be available on any future occasion.
Select and apply your WB preset to an image
Fine tune as needed (since in-camera auto white balance or presets often do not nail it)
Select Lift/Stamp tool
Click on your adjusted image
In the Lift/Stamp HUD, deselect all adjustments except the WB
Select all target images
Click "Stamp Selected Images" button in the Lift/Stamp HUD

Setting white point in LR

I'm almost sure I'm missing something but I cannot find a solution. I'm using LR (currently 2.2) for quite a while (since 1.2) but I simply cannot find an easy, user friedly and predictable way how to set a white point of edited pictures.
In PS, CR, DPP and most other editing SW and RAW processors, there two typical easy tools how to set the white point.
1) a white point picker which (when used) defines a desired tone as white and the relevant SW then redistributes the tones accordingly;
2) in "levels" or "curves" dialog (or their equivalents it is possible to move the "White level" treshold below which the remaining tones are redistributed accordingly - the iterface varies (sometimes it is the border of the histogram or curve diagram that can be moved (DPP), sometimes it is the slider in histogram or curve diagram setting this limit
botw ways generally lead to the same and quite uniform result. I.e. I'm usually able to get almost identical result by setting white point in PS, DPP, CR, .... and other SW by such simple operation when working over identical picture data.
However in LR it is virtually impossible to achieve similar result in LR. No white point picker, no slider enabling setting the white limit, no chance to move borders in the histogram chart. The only available tools for this purpose are
"Exposure" and "Brightness". None of them providing for the desired functionality alone - their combination giving sometimes acceptable but hardly predictable results (definitely not as predictable as achieved e.g. in PS by simple and single move of white limit slider in "level" dialogue or equivalent step in CR.
Do I really miss something important (I hope so) in this respect or is LR completly lacking this (for me really core/basic) functionality present in all other photo and RAW editting SW I know - even from Adobe?
thanks

I agree with the original poster - I find it troublesome to set the white point in an image. In a situation where a traditional (PS, Aperture) levels control would make it convenient to push a particular tone to white, I find myself going back and forth between exposure and the tone curve a fair amount. Another description of what I want, effectively, is a 'recovery' slider that goes up as well as down.
(See end of post for replies to a few specific points.)
An example:
Here is the original image, with its histogram and tone curve - black to middle gray:
I want to push the small hatch/door to white, but that also overexposes my middle grays (I haven't yet touched the tone curve):
So now I go to the tone curve, and pull down both darks and lights:
However, at this point I've lost my whites (they are not quite clipped any more); and probably more importantly, since the tone curve is at the extreme low values, I have little working room or control.
Rather than working together or providing complementary functions, in this case exposure and the tone curve, to me, seem to be fighting; it requires back-and-forth to get the desired effect.
(To be clear, most of the time - that is, when my white point starts out more or less where I want it - being able to drag the histogram and smoothly-transitioned segments of the tone curve is brilliantly easy and useful. It's specifically the exposure control's nonlinear behavior/effect that I dislike, as it makes it difficult to adjust near-white tones.)
Responding to specifics:
> Also, hold the ALT key (David Edwards)
Cool! (However, not a fix for this issue.)
> the controls themselves are not linear (Lee Jay)
> attempts to preserve highlights (Lee Jay)
> the exposure slider is almost exactly equivalent to the white point slider in Photoshop's levels/curves (Joa V. L.)
I think this is the root of the issue, for me - the exposure control is being intelligent in a way to protect hilights, which is counter to my intent. My experience leads me to disagree strongly with Joa's comment (though I would be very happy to discover I was wrong) - my problem is specifically that adjusting exposure up (brightening the image with exposure) affects tones less, the brighter they are.
> I need to decrease the Brightness (Henry_Deer)
> you may need to generate a higher-contrast tone curve and work with that (Lee Jay)
The brightness adjustment seems analogous to my use of the tone curve, though it's an alternate approach I haven't tried. However, both seem to suffer from the 'several rounds' problem.
Edited to reply to a few specific points

Colour Calibration / White Point setting - Is Imac Display really professional quality

I am trying to calibrate my imac 27" using i1 Display2 calibration software. I am trying to set a traget of 6500 using the software but it advises the current is only 5600 and suggests moving the RGB sliders to get this current white point up to my 6500 target. Unfortunatly i have no idea where i find these sliders on my imac. Can anyone advise how i change my current white point to get to the 6500 target?
Also, on the brightness issue, does shades work to reduce my brightness or will it simply interfere with my colour calibration?
Finally, i was going to use my iMac for professional photography. (Mainly on line but some print work required). Honestly, is the iMac display up to the job or should i consider changing
Thanks
Gary

Corbybhy, the glossy screen is the biggest and silliest myth out there. Really.
I have been a professional art director & designer for over 26 years, and by the way, for many years my high end professional CRTS were made of glass (and glossy). Another myth is that the screens cannot be calibrated, and are too bright. Hogwash. I use Spyder3Pro and have had few problems, guessing your device will be the same. Actually, the monitors seem to stay consistant for a heck of a lot longer than the old high end CRTs did. In the old days, most professionals calibrated to 5000k, but these days 6500k is the standard.
The amount of MISINFORMATION that is being spewed always amazes me. If you can keep your lighting consistant and somewhat dim, your life will be easier. Reflections are simply not a major issue, and are also overblown as a issue (by the way, my iMac sits next to a window, I just use shades to dim the ambient light).
I work mostly in print, and produce mostly publications, advertising & marketing materials. I have ZERO issues with my screen matching my proofs. ZERO. I do a huge amount of imaging, retouching & post-processing... all from my 27" iMac.

Setting a White Point and Black Point

I would like to suggest for future versions of lIghtroom to have an ability to set the white point and black points similar to levels and curves in Photoshop. This would be in addition to setting middle grey in the white balance settings currently in Lightroom. I find that the method of using Threshold to find the closest white and black pixels and then using these points to set the black and white points in curves or levels provides a better way to fix a color cast than the methods available in Lightroom.

MB,
There is no real need for Black and White point eyedropper type tools in Lightroom. By holding down the Alt key while changing the Blacks or Exposure sliders the display will show the areas that are being clipped. This is much faster than looking around for the darkest and lightest areas manually. If you just like to click to taste (like using the White balance dropper) then forget the Alt key and just move the sliders until you get the desired look.
Remember that the problem with Photoshop is that there are so many ways to do the same thing that it has become difficult and bloated. Lightroom strives to keep the interface as clear as possible.

Establishing White Point and Black Point

Hi,
How do I Establishing a White Point and a Black Point in Lightroom 1.4.1 and especially in Lightroom 2 Bata?
Thank You,
Hersul

The last post by OP might have closed this thread, but given the relative lack of activity on this and LR2 forums (summertime?) - I'll go a little deeper.
i White point
- If your white balance is right from the start, you just use the Exposure slider to set the white point. If not, first set the white balance - that effectively sets a preliminary white point for each channel separately, or, to be more precise, matches the right side of the histogram for each channel - then set the Exposure. So, with the white point you have complete control over the histogram, as well as over each channel.
i Black point
- here the situation is different. You can move the left side of the main (composite?) histogram using the Blacks slider, but there's no means for moving channels separately. In theory, with digital capture, there probably should not be need for this, blacks should be always black, so that's OK, but...
I once had a batch of pics scanned from film. The film was poorly developed so it has some strong brown-magenta cast in the shadows. In Photoshop it was a piece of cake to set the black point by dragging the left ends of each channel to the left edge of the histogram (heck, even Auto Level did a wonderful job). In Lightroom, there's just no way you can correct this, because you can't control the channels separately.

Ufraw forgot default white balance presets

After some upgrade in the recent days, ufraw and gimp-ufraw no longer know the default white-balance presets of "Daylight", "Shade", etc. Additionally, in gimp-ufraw, there is a missing pixmap (red x indicates) next to the still-extant WB options (which are "Camera", "Manual", and "Auto").
Thanks for all help and work, Arch is lovely and great.
EDIT: on x86_64. Forgot to include at first, sorry.
Last edited by cookiecaper (2008-07-24 00:11:03)

In Develop/Basic next to the big 'Turkey Baster' and the WB: there is a dropdown triangle set to 'As Shot'.
Dev is in Kelvin and QD is relative.
Don
Don Ricklin, MacBook 1.83Ghz Duo 2 Core running 10.4.9 & Win XP, Pentax *ist D
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Aperture 3 - Multiple White Balance Presets

Just installed the Aperture 3 Trial and found that on the Adjustments pane, I'm seeing to White Balance preset flyouts under the Presets dropdown. The entries on each of these flyout menus are different. Plus, I can't see what the actual settings are for each preset when I try to edit. Any idea what's going on?
Thanks.
- Leon

I think I may have answered my own questions. It looks like Aperture 3 provided it's own presets for White Balance and it imported the one's I created in Aperture 2, but put them under a second White Balance flyout. That explains mystery number one.
Regarding the ability to see the values included in the preset, they used to show up in the edit window. Now it looks like the only way to see them is to select them and see the settings they apply in the Adjustments pane.
Can anyone confirm these behaviors?
Thanks.
- Leon

Saving custom white balance presets

It would be so helpful to be able to store custome white balance settings as presets, just like for most other areas of the program)
Can this be incorprated into the program please?!

I believe the OP is asking for the ability to add custom White Balance presets inside the Basic panel along with the LR presets As Shot, Auto, Daylight, etc. To my knowledge there is no way to do this currently.
I can see where this would be useful, since the Adobe provided settings" are just approximations, and will vary due to differences with each camera's sensor, electronics, lens, UV filter installed, etc. With exception of the 'As Shot' preset none of the Adobe WB presets are accurate with my cameras and have variations of 200K or more. The ability to "create" your own set of WB presets (or change the ones provided) using a simple gray or white balance card for specific lighting conditions would be very useful. It would also be helpful to have them "automatically" associated with the camera model, same as the ones provided by Adobe.
I just checked the Feature Request site and found a post from 7 months ago with this request:
http://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/allow_users_to_store_custom_white_ba lances
Oh well, another good idea with few "likes." Maybe the OP could post a new request and add more detail as to "why" it is needed. I'm sure you have other reasons for wanting it, so fire away!

Are there white balance presets - like in Camera Raw?

Hi. I'm newer to Aperture, and when I'm editing photos, I'm wondering if there's a white balance preset, like in Adobe Camera Raw, that match my camera's white balance options (cloudy, flash, daylight, etc.). Is there something like that in Aperture that I can't find, or am I just regulated to the sliders?
Thanks!

they are not preinstalled, but you can easily make them. just shoot several images with your camera set to each white balance, then save all the settings in the white balance brick.

Lost white balance presets?

Somehow, during the last update, I lost the white balance presets.
Now, all that shows in the menu is
As Shot
Auto
Custom
Everything else is gone. not tungsten, no flash, nothing.
How do I get these back?
Thank you
Gary

John:
Now I am feeling really stupid, and would apologize and beg your
forgiveness. Yes, I had read the materials you suggested, and oops;
I thought I was posting in the Lightroom forum, after searching for
the answer both in the forums, the FAQs and other sites as well. Thats
why I had such a disconnect with your wrong forum statement. So sorry
about that. No wonder you thought I did not follow procedures. Probably
because I am not even capable of knowing which forum I am in.
Again thanks to both of you. I have my answer to multiple problems.
Gary

LR2 White balance presets

What happened to all the white balance presets (cloudy, shade, tungsten, etc)? I just installed LR2 (on Win XP SP2) and the only presets available on the drop down menu are As Shot, Auto and Custom. Have the others been eliminated in LR2?

They were eliminated for JPEGs, long ago.

White balance presets in 1.1?

What happened to the white balance presets for JPEGs in 1.1? All I have now is auto, custom, and as shot.
In 1.0 I had all the presets for JPEG as I have for RAW. In 1.0 they were in the develop module.

on 6/27/07 12:31 PM, William Wood at [email protected] wrote:
> Joseph is correct. I have the fully paid for version of LR 1.0 and the WB
> presets were in the Quick Develop section of the Library and they did work
> fine on JPGS. Ver 1.1 eliminated them and, even worse, the WB on many of my
> JPG images is now totally wacko and I have to fix them in Develop. Those same
> images were fine in Ver 1.0 and every other image viewer I have used.
Nothing in the upgrade process should have whacked the white balance on the JPEGs though it is possible that since absolute white balance (what we do with raws) can't actually be sensibly applied to JPEGs that we're now looking to an incremental value. When you have one of these, what values do you see in Develop for temperature, tint, and white balance?
As for the availability of the settings in Quick Develop, they were just as wrong there as they were in Develop. The challenge for QD is that it might actually be working on a mixture of raws and non-raws.
Mark

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