Who the Hell wrote this crappy forum software?

Ya, I knowm it says Jive.
This forum refuses to work with Opera, either for Windblows or Solaris 10 x86 Unix.  This area for entering the post does not show up.
I had to start Exploder and I HATE Exploder.
What is even more stupid is the catch-22 in that the forum software is used for the feedback.  If the forum is broken, how the Hell is someone supposed to be able to let anyone know that it is broken.
If Adobe wants great forum software, they should use what AVSForum uses.  It works with any and all browsers.

dave milbut wrote:
it's not the tools, it's the carpenters.
Oh, it's the tools too, people just like to make excuses for and rationalize for "cool" stuff.  If it's simple AJAX and DHTML without too much crazy going on (i.e. not these forums), you might get away okay on a web site.  I'm not opposed to it on a website as long as it always works...
I'm speaking mostly from an RIA (rich internet application) use case, which gets much more complicated than a stupid website.  A 'forum' like this blurs the distinction a bit, especially when they try to do the crap they're attempting in this jiveware.  AJAX isn't well suited for creating real RIAs, for sure.  (Here comes the AJAX fanboys to dispute...)  Once people realize that these 'frameworks' they're using (because they've already discovered that using AJAX/DHTML/DOM crap themselves sucks @$$) don't address the need to test, update, re-build, re-deploy, and test your "AJAX application" (it's like saying ".bat application") EVERY single time you have a new version of a browser come out--or a new type of browser entirely--perhaps they'll start to realize what the hidden cost of such muppetry is going to be over time.  (And I can't wait for the browser wars to heat up even more again.) 
Of course you could just "hope" that most of your users browsers will continue to work correctly (maybe almost 100% even will! lol), without testing and updating if needed, but then you get Jiveware.
Don't get me wrong, with Jiveware, it's most certainly the carpenters more so than anything.  It may even be possible to develop decent 'forum' software using AJAX hacks (sparingly), since a "forum" is arguably not such a complex application.  (They are however more complex than most people imagine.)  But crap tools tend to bring out the fail in the term "incompetent failure jiveware scripter".   Crap tools reveal the difference between someone who doesn't know what they're doing at all (jiveware jives), and someone who actually does have some idea of what they're doing more clearly than good tools do.

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