Who Wanted Scene-Detection On Captured Footage With No Timecode?

Did I dream this ?
I am sure that recently somebody had captured some video without timecode and wanted to know whether FCE could split it automatically into separate scenes.
My only suggestion was to split it manually which would take ages.
Last night I was looking at Tom's "FCE 4 Editing Workshop" and came across a slightly quicker and less laborious suggestion than mine.
Basically load the clip into the Viewer, play it and each time there is a change of scene hit the "M" key which will insert a marker.
At the end, the clip in the browser will be split into segments just as though "DV Start/Stop Detect" had been used.
Then simply select all the segments and press cmd U which will convert all the segments to subclips.
This morning I eagerly searched through the old questions to see if it had been answered and if not, to offer my/Tom's answer.
Of course I could not find any trace of the question !
Did I dream it ?
If you are that person (or know the thread) could you please put me out of my misery!

Hello Ian,
You are in luck tonight/whenever it is in your part of the word:
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=5148749&#5148749
Al

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x

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Message was edited by: MrMajesticMole

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