Whole backup vs Full Backup

Dear Gurus,
Please let me know about whole backup vs Fullbackup.
As per my knowledge,
1. Whole Backup can be used with incremental backup plan, because it is not cataloged.
2. Fullbackup will be used with incremental backup because it is cataloged.
But, Now my question is that
Will we restore whole backup and rollforward remaining redo logs?
Will we restore full backup and rollforward remaining redo logs?
Or Both ?
Regards
Dharmendra

Hi Eric,
thank you very much for your response.
So it is imposible to implement the back up strategy with incremental back up without applying RMAN, right?
Then I should set up my strategy as follows:
- daily whole database backup
- daily two times redo log backup
How difficult it is to set up RMAN in order to use incremental back up?
Many thank's
Regards
Thom

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