Why Apple hates Home/End/Page Up/Page Down?

open a terminal, type in a command and I want to go to the beginning of the line and then back to the end of the line. How do you do this? I've never understood why Apple doesn't have a backspace and a delete button as well as a simple home and end.
Any pointers would be a appreciated.
G

I wish you'd actually go try what you're posting here. Ctrl A and Ctrl E don't work either. I'm also well aware of what terminal is and how to use it. I'm also well aware of keyboards and how to use them. Comments of not putting keys on a keyboard because there is no room is frankly BS because smaller computers have more keys on them than Apple puts. With that being said, whether Apple thinks you ever use Home and End keys doesn't mean people don't. I have people that work with me that refuse to use Apple computers simply because they hate their keyboards and how the leave things out for absolutely no good reason. I'd love to see the actual research where anyone has ever concluded you didn't need those keys.
Sorry, I just get tired of hearing excuses for lame decisions made by Apple. I live in the terminal and I make mistakes and need a quick way to jump back and forth on the command line. Every single OS out there gives me this ability, EXCEPT APPLE!. I spent almost $3500 buying a new MBPr and accessories and something so basic missing all this time drives me crazy.
Sorry, there are no excuses!
G

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