Why archive AVCHD as disk images, versus .MOV or .MP4?

I get an interesting array of responses to this everywhere I ask...but most of all I'm curious about the opinions of folks who specifically use FCPX for editing, so I'd greatly value your feedback.
Like many folks who have been shooting AVCHD for a while, I now have many years worth of footage from a variety of cameras stuffed into my backup/archive workflow. For all those years, I've been keeping perfect disk images (generally non-compressed, read-only .dmg files created in Disk Utility right off cards and cameras) of every single one of those AVCHD shoots. In the early days of the format, when support was far, far more twitchy and frustrating than it is today, I felt it made sense to have a little "healthy" paranoia.
These days, however, I wonder if this isn't a colossal waste of time and storage space?
Here's the thing about this method...nothing ever gets deleted. You end up sucking every little take, every borked shot, every mishap, into your diskspace, cloud storage, tape library, or whatever you use for archival, forever. When I stop to think objectively about this, it seems nuts. I mean, if I did this with photography, my photo library would be 2x to 3x its current size and full of garbage. It would also be hard to navigate, which come to think of it is a major annoyance with all my AVCHD disk images. I keep them well organized, but still, having to mount them to look through videos (and then having to climb down into the "STREAM" subfolder each and every time) feels like a hassle.
I wonder if I should just go back, bust open those old disk images, use something like ClipWrap or Media Converter to repackage all those .MTS clips in something more portable (like Quicktime or MP4 containers) and just keep around the ones I actually want? There's no quality loss in doing so, and the video/audio content would continue to be usable in both FCPX and pretty much any modern multimedia software, right?
My question is what, if any, good argument is there in 2012 for keeping complete disk images of AVCHD?

Hi Neil,
Sorry about all the frustration.
Why does GB output an iMovie generated video podcast as .mov and Final Cut export to iPod as .m4v?
I don't have the newest GarageBand, so can't really say. But I do know that Final Cut will export a movie in different formats. If you choose the default setting for the iPod, you will get a high quality file, but it will be HUGE! Takes a long time to download, and takes a lot of server space.
This isn't too much of a concern if you have just a few movies and they are short, but if you make many long movies, it's a big problem. We produce a movie every week that's about 40-45 minutes long, so we use the QuickTime .mov as well as the MP4 export from Final Cut Express and encode them as H.264 using settings we've refined to make the file size small. Last week's 38:33 minute talk was 61.1 MB for our large 480x360 .mov video, and 35.5 MB for our 320x240 .mp4 videocast.
The extension on a H.264 file could be .mov (our large video) or .mp4 (our videocast). .m4v can also be H.264 (the default iPod QT setting).
The encoding (like H.264) is the most important part - you want to make something that looks good, sounds good, and streams well.
Hope this is helpful.

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