Why "Business System" under "Party"

Hi,
As per my understanding, the "Party" in IB-Config is mainly used for B2B integration and "Service without Party" is mainly used for A2A integration.
Under B2B scenario, one won't know the details of the application details of the partner's application, therefor we use "Business Service" , similarly for A2A scenario, one has the knowledge of the applications within the same organization and thereyby we use "Business System" in ID.
If my above statement is true ,then why do we have "Business System" under "Party" while defining the Collaboration Profile Objects in Integration Directory and similarly why do we have "Business Service" under "Service without party"?
Thanking all of you in advance.
SR

Your are correct , but in order to use Business service or Business system A2A and B2B may not be the reason always.
you are free to use Business Service for A2A scenario ,if you don't have concrete information of the system in SLD , e.g published Webservices(sender or reciever).
Similarly , you can use Business System for B2B scenario,if you have enough information of a system which can defined in SLD , e.g Customer SAP ERP .

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silvia diego wrote:
> Hello,
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> I've a interface RFC to JDBC syncrhonous
> I've two CC sender (RFC) for the same interface, one for each client. The test for one client is ok however the test in other client result with the follow error:
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> 'aternativeServiceIdentifier: party/servce from channel configuration are not equal to party/service from lookup of alternativeServiceIdentifier..', I have seen the 730870 note (Q26) but i don't see how solved my problem.
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communication party (party for short) represents a larger unit, which is involved in a collaborative process. Using a communication party, you generally address a company within a cross-company process.That means we use party only when we r using B2B communcation.for example communication of two diffrent organization who r having different landscape.
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/people/michal.krawczyk2/blog/2005/03/29/xi-error--unable-to-convert-the-sender-service-to-an-ale-logical-system
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